Ashes - Second Test

[The Coon Dog]

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All over!

1st time in 24 years the Poms have beaten Australia by an innings.

Clearly deserved their win, totally outplayed us.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I would bring in Smith, bat him at six and play four quicks. The quick to come in would be Cameron. Hughes also to come in to replace Katich.

What's with all the love for Hughes?

114@22.8 in the Shield
197@28.1 including v Eng.

Hardly belting down the door with runs.

[LostDoggy]

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What's with all the love for Hughes?

114@22.8 in the Shield
197@28.1 including v Eng.

Hardly belting down the door with runs.

If the selectors are fair dinkum about winning this thing Cam White (the only Australian still other than Hussey and Haddin to have a century against the poms this summer) and Hodgey (brave call)/D. Huss (will make more runs than North in his sleep)/Khawaja (with an eye to the future) come in. Anyone else and it's just a joke. Even Ferguson -- he's too far back compared to Khawaja.

[chef]

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What's with all the love for Hughes?114@22.8 in the Shield
197@28.1 including v Eng.

Hardly belting down the door with runs.

I would rather Khawaja come in and open, but can't see it happening. Hughes will be the next cab off the rank for openers(didn't he makes some runs against England in the second innings down in Hobart?).

[LostDoggy]

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I would rather Khawaja come in and open, but can't see it happening. Hughes will be the next cab off the rank for openers(didn't he makes some runs against England in the second innings down in Hobart?).

Watson's selection as an opener is proving that it's not really seen (at least by our selectors) as a specialist position anymore -- nor should it be. Any first-class/state no.3 should be good enough to adapt to opening the batting these days (Bradman notwithstanding). M.Hussey is in form and opened for 99% of his first-class career -- just move him up the order. I mean, we have a career all-rounder opening, and a career opening batsman playing at no.5. What the heck is going on?

[Throughandthrough]

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Even Ferguson -- he's too far back compared to Khawaja.

i don't think he is


Has played a fair few ODI's for Australia and did very well until injued

[Sedat]

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What's with all the love for Hughes?

[LostDoggy]

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i don't think he is


Has played a fair few ODI's for Australia and did very well until injued

I won't go into the differences between ODIs and the longer-form of the game (I'm sure Sockeye will do that!). Until he has exposed form at Shield level, he has no exposed form.

In any case, the selectors use this to dodge and weave in making up justifications anyway -- this morning Greg Shipperd (who is Victoria's coach these days) was on SEN and he said that the selectors' reasons for not selecting White, McDonald, D.Hussey etc. were that they were seen predominantly as ODI and 20/20 players. They can't then turn around and say that exposed form in the shorter forms of the game are adequate yardsticks for Test selection.

Unless it's one rule for Victorian players, and another rule for other players.

[Remi Moses]

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Fair comments, but do you really think it's really the right time to start rebuilding the Australia test team IN THE MIDDLE OF A FREAKIN' ASHES SERIES? (not having a go at you, just releasing some frustration at the selectors and our ridiculous non-preparation to the point that we didn't even know who our best team was three days out from the start of the series).

If they really wanted to rebuild they should have been dinkum about it four years ago instead of sticking fat with guys like North and Hussey. Since they haven't, it's too late to start blooding youngsters in the cauldron of a losing Ashes series. At least Hodgey and White and the like have excelled in plenty of pressure situations and are more likely to stand up under the spotlight than a raw kid. All we need for the next three Tests are guys who will perform better than Marcus North in the short term.

I was referring to our next series .
These changes should have been made 12 months ago,possibly longer after the 09 Ashes loss!Hodge has retired from first class cricket and White hasn't excelled when given his chance.I'd have Ferguson or Kwahja in ahead of White.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Marsh will come in for Katich
Khawaja will come in for North

They will go back to Hauritz if they want a spinner but I don't think they will.


The bowling combination is anyone's guess which makes me think they will give the 3 incumbents another chance and perhaps Cameron from NSW as the 4th bowler

[Remi Moses]

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I won't go into the differences between ODIs and the longer-form of the game (I'm sure Sockeye will do that!). Until he has exposed form at Shield level, he has no exposed form.

In any case, the selectors use this to dodge and weave in making up justifications anyway -- this morning Greg Shippard (who is Victoria's coach these days) was on SEN and he said that the selectors' reasons for not selecting White, McDonald, D.Hussey etc. were that they were seen predominantly as ODI and 20/20 players. They can't then turn around and say that exposed form in the shorter forms of the game are adequate yardsticks for Test selection.

Unless it's one rule for Victorian players, and another rule for other players.

Someone should have asked Shipperd why he didn't play young Keith in the recent shield game.

[Sedat]

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I won't go into the differences between ODIs and the longer-form of the game (I'm sure Sockeye will do that!). Until he has exposed form at Shield level, he has no exposed form.

Unless it's one rule for Victorian players, and another rule for other players.

Doherty was catapulted to the test team on the back of one decent performance in a meaningless ODI. He averages 47 in domestic first-class cricket FFS. Ponting has far too much influence in the make-up of the national team - he is the sole reason Hodge has not enjoyed a successful 5 year/60 test career and the Australian team is all the poorer because of it. Doherty was Punter's call as well.

[Remi Moses]

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Marsh will come in for Katich
Khawaja will come in for North

They will go back to Hauritz if they want a spinner but I don't think they will.


The bowling combination is anyone's guess which makes me think they will give the 3 incumbents another chance and perhaps Cameron from NSW as the 4th bowler

Agree with those changes .

[LostDoggy]

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Agree with those changes .

I don't think Sockeye is advocating those changes -- just what he thinks the selectors will do.

Right, SS? What do YOU think the selectors should do?

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I don't think Sockeye is advocating those changes -- just what he thinks the selectors will do.

Right, SS? What do YOU think the selectors should do?

I think my preferred team would be at fairly long odds to be the actual team.

For starters White would be my captain and Clarke would be dropped under the new 'no-wankers' rule.