For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

I don't get this at all. 6 innings this year in the shield , 1 hundred, 2 fifties and a 50 against NZ in the other match. Averages more than Paine in the shield, has more hundreds than him and is younger.

Wade is not some young nobody that has started playing well and thus has the Victorian biased media behind him like others have. He is a guy who has already represented Australia, Australia A, went to the AIS, the Centre of Excellence, has produced for 3 straight seasons now in the Shield, batted well under immense pressure (09 Shield final).

Paine has not played a game since July, has already been ruled out for the entire season and his career is in jeopardy. He doesn't deserve to have a spot held for him and Wade or Neville (good in his own right this last 2 seasons in the shield) should be the keeper in the next test.

Can't disagree with much of what you have said.

However, I am concerned that people are talking about selecting the wicket-keeper based on batting records.

It is important we get the best performance behind the stumps as that is worth plenty of runs in the overall scheme of things. Keepers regularly missed catches etc can easily cost more than they will ever score.

Haddin is failing in this area and it is much more serious than his batting form.

The situation with Paine is such that he may not be competent keeping when he can resume, but if he does he brings more than the other options because he has clearly been identified as a leader at every stage through the system.

Much as he may be the best option if and when fit, it clearly is not correct to wait for him to find fitness and form.

[Topdog]

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Putting the batting stats out there because I assume everyone knows that Wade, Neville and Paine are better with the gloves than Haddin.

[LostDoggy]

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Putting the batting stats out there because I assume everyone knows that Wade, Neville and Paine are better with the gloves than Haddin.

My grandma is better with the gloves than Haddin. He has ALWAYS been considered a pretty sloppy keeper throughout his career, and was brought in solely for his batting (which I was actually a fan of back in the day prior to his ridiculously irresponsible batting in the last 12 months) as a Gilly replacement (as we had become so dependent on runs from out wicket-keeper in the Gilchrist era). Now that he's not even performing with the bat, he is zero value in all areas (except presumably in being such a tactical mastermind that Pup can't live without his incredible vice-captain). ANY state keeper (and 90% of club wickies) is better with the gloves, and since Haddin's not making runs anyway, anyone who can come in, keep better (ie. avoid averaging 3-5 dropped catches and 20 or so handling errors every Test), and make ANY runs at all would immediately represent a marked improvement. It's not rocket science.

Elementary, my dear Watson.

[soupman]

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The Herald Sun and The Age are working their butts off trying to get Wade selected because they fear this is the only opportunity to get the Victorian keeper in the team before Paine get over his finger injury and takes his place in the side as Haddin moves out.

Hopefully the selectors stick to their guns and not be blindsided by Melbourne newspaper bias and await for the promising Paine to be ready.

Sarcastic?

[LostDoggy]

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/haddin-barb-turns-up-heat-on-fragile-india-20120109-1pruv.html

Haddin, instead of keeping his head down and thanking his lucky stars he's still in the team, is opening his large gob today saying that India is mentally fragile.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about our esteemed vice-captain. See: non-existent batting performance while the innings collapsed around him vs. NZ, or wonderfully responsible batting performance in Newlands. Pot, kettle, black and all that.

His position is clearly not under the remotest threat because he has the time to come out and bag opponents instead of worrying about his own place. Oh, and has anyone ever warned Brad against talking too soon? The series is far from over, I would have thought after our recent inability to cement a winning series against the crappiest of opponents the priority would be to nail down the series instead of publicly giving the opposition mental ammunition.

An embarassment to the Baggy Green.

[LostDoggy]

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ps. While we're at it, why isn't Marsh's position up for review? He's played four innings at no.3 for the princely sum of 3 runs and 4 dismissals in 5 balls, which is basically f-all. Heck, I could probably put up figures like that without preparation.

There are others in the queue who have performed consistently over time. I can't believe that someone like Marsh (who has a meh first-class average and looks lost out there) is given every chance, while a Klinger who has made a million first class runs over years and years constantly gets the short shrift and summarily dismissed with a curt 'not a Test player'. Well, I don't know what the hell that means -- cricket is cricket, and over time he's proven that he sure as hell is a far better batsman than Marsh, who gets a million chances to prove he's a Test player despite all evidence to the contrary.

Cam White never had the million chances Marsh is getting -- he at least is a player I would have persisted with in his younger days, as like a young Steve Waugh he was just an all-rounder who hadn't found his balance, but was very quickly put in the 'not Test player' box by Hilditch and co., who nonsensically decided he was good enough to be Australia's 20/20 captain but can't even get into the 50-over team -- it's far too late now, but this guy, had he been given time, would have developed into Clarke's 2IC, provided a good bridge from the older blokes to the next generation, and been a solid and valuable middle-innings player. (Instead, he's just had to reconcile himself with captaining Victoria to a million Shield wins.)

Katich is the first choice opener for NSW, but can't get a game over Warner, who he keeps out of the state side, or Marsh, and he was dropped despite being our best performed veteran batsman last year, for no reason other than to get younger players into the team (Hughes FFS!) while keeping Punter and Mr. Cricket. If they were retained despite non-performances, Katich should never have been dropped.

Khawaja has been dropped twice for no reason other than to 'get people in the team', but Marsh's Test place is seemingly his birthright, despite his performances meaning that we go into every Test one player short. It's nonsensical. India being shit anywhere but India is papering over the cracks, but the next time we play a proper series against South Africa or England, or God forbid, India in India, we'll see some serious walloping going on.

[Go_Dogs]

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ps. While we're at it, why isn't Marsh's position up for review? He's played four innings at no.3 for the princely sum of 3 runs and 4 dismissals in 5 balls, which is basically f-all. Heck, I could probably put up figures like that without preparation.

There are others in the queue who have performed consistently over time. I can't believe that someone like Marsh (who has a meh first-class average and looks lost out there) is given every chance, while a Klinger who has made a million first class runs over years and years constantly gets the short shrift and summarily dismissed with a curt 'not a Test player'. Well, I don't know what the hell that means -- cricket is cricket, and over time he's proven that he sure as hell is a far better batsman than Marsh, who gets a million chances to prove he's a Test player despite all evidence to the contrary.

Agree with this. I've actually had this conversation with a few people recently and said Klinger would be the man to promote, but it will never happen. Marsh is probably saved by the fact its a home test and "no one" is knocking the door down to take his place.

I don't mind Marsh and think he has played some good innings over his time, however his recent form is dreadful and I'm not sure on what basis the selectors believe it will turn around quickly.

[ledge]

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Agree with this. I've actually had this conversation with a few people recently and said Klinger would be the man to promote, but it will never happen. Marsh is probably saved by the fact its a home test and "no one" is knocking the door down to take his place.

I don't mind Marsh and think he has played some good innings over his time, however his recent form is dreadful and I'm not sure on what basis the selectors believe it will turn around quickly.

You dont have to turn it around, they just keep playing you until you get a good score then say told you so.
1 century cancels out 2 years of failures for some.

[Remi Moses]

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For Christ Sake Iron Gloves Haddin shut up !
Agree Wade's better than Haddin, but Paine's the best bet.
Selectors should be picking the best keeper ATM, which is Paine.

[Remi Moses]

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You dont have to turn it around, they just keep playing you until you get a good score then say told you so.
1 century cancels out 2 years of failures for some.

In fairness to Marsh he didn't get a chance to get any form in preparation . T20 is not preparation regardless of what we get told from C/A.

[Remi Moses]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

ps. While we're at it, why isn't Marsh's position up for review? He's played four innings at no.3 for the princely sum of 3 runs and 4 dismissals in 5 balls, which is basically f-all. Heck, I could probably put up figures like that without preparation.

There are others in the queue who have performed consistently over time. I can't believe that someone like Marsh (who has a meh first-class average and looks lost out there) is given every chance, while a Klinger who has made a million first class runs over years and years constantly gets the short shrift and summarily dismissed with a curt 'not a Test player'. Well, I don't know what the hell that means -- cricket is cricket, and over time he's proven that he sure as hell is a far better batsman than Marsh, who gets a million chances to prove he's a Test player despite all evidence to the contrary.

Cam White never had the million chances Marsh is getting -- he at least is a player I would have persisted with in his younger days, as like a young Steve Waugh he was just an all-rounder who hadn't found his balance, but was very quickly put in the 'not Test player' box by Hilditch and co., who nonsensically decided he was good enough to be Australia's 20/20 captain but can't even get into the 50-over team -- it's far too late now, but this guy, had he been given time, would have developed into Clarke's 2IC, provided a good bridge from the older blokes to the next generation, and been a solid and valuable middle-innings player. (Instead, he's just had to reconcile himself with captaining Victoria to a million Shield wins.)

Katich is the first choice opener for NSW, but can't get a game over Warner, who he keeps out of the state side, or Marsh, and he was dropped despite being our best performed veteran batsman last year, for no reason other than to get younger players into the team (Hughes FFS!) while keeping Punter and Mr. Cricket. If they were retained despite non-performances, Katich should never have been dropped.

Khawaja has been dropped twice for no reason other than to 'get people in the team', but Marsh's Test place is seemingly his birthright, despite his performances meaning that we go into every Test one player short. It's nonsensical. India being shit anywhere but India is papering over the cracks, but the next time we play a proper series against South Africa or England, or God forbid, India in India, we'll see some serious walloping going on.

Cameron White shouldn't even be in the t20 team, let alone capt.
Hasn't made a run all season . Marsh has debuted at 29 and hardly had a squillion chances. I'd agree another failure and his gone. We'd have 5 changes per test if some here were selectors.

[Mantis]

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Agree with this. I've actually had this conversation with a few people recently and said Klinger would be the man to promote, but it will never happen. Marsh is probably saved by the fact its a home test and "no one" is knocking the door down to take his place.

I don't mind Marsh and think he has played some good innings over his time, however his recent form is dreadful and I'm not sure on what basis the selectors believe it will turn around quickly.

Bit hard to do this when the whole domestic comp. has been shut down by the hit & giggle concept.

Messers Khawaja & co. would love the opportunity to make few runs in the 4 day game to apply some pressure, but unfortunately they can't.

[Go_Dogs]

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Bit hard to do this when the whole domestic comp. has been shut down by the hit & giggle concept.

Messers Khawaja & co. would love the opportunity to make few runs in the 4 day game to apply some pressure, but unfortunately they can't.

It's a good point and I agree the timing of the T20 isn't the best - hopefully it can be scheduled differently in future years.

[ledge]

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In fairness to Marsh he didn't get a chance to get any form in preparation . T20 is not preparation regardless of what we get told from C/A.

Iwas talking about Ponting

[LostDoggy]

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You dont have to turn it around, they just keep playing you until you get a good score then say told you so.
1 century cancels out 2 years of failures for some.

They are probably starting to talk more about some consistent scores he is producing? 78, 60, 62, 134 (won't count the Hobart green top batsmen scores), Not so much that he knocked out a century. Look at Tendulkar, everyone is fixated on him getting his 100th 100, and missing the impressive scores he is delivering, not career best but he is making good runs for the team. Ponting will never be the century making machine he once was, people need to get over that. But what the team needs from him being in there is a 35 - 50 average @ #4, field work rate and mentoring for these youngsters coming into the side untill one is ready to take his reins. IMO.