Booing Adam Goodes.

[Bornadog]

Re: Booing Adam Goodes.

I'm awaiting the ongoing booing of violent Hawks players who over the years have been at least equally and overtly dirtier than Goodes has been.

If Dermott's logic rings true, and Goodes is treated the way he is because he slid legs first into a contest then Mitchell and Hodge should receive the same treatment.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I didn't know about Dermott's so called logic.

[chef]

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Its gone on far too long and is clearly affect Adam, his friends and his family.

I don't get how some are 'cool' with this level of bullying on someone who has really done nothing much to deserve it.

Just has become herd mentality of a bunch of morons IMO and its quite sad that they want to justify it as their god given right. Majority of them dont even know why they are doing it.

[Greystache]

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This article articulates the Milne comparison better than most I've read (and better than I can, to be honest):

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blo...up?CMP=soc_567

It makes about as much sense as most of the media commentary on the subject, i.e. none. But rational discussion gets trampled under the boots of the cries of racist by sycophantic apologists and their simple minded followers.

I've steered clear of the discussion because both sides are equally imbecilic for the most part, and sensible discussion is quietly hiding in the dark hoping it's not next on the list to be accused.

[jeemak]

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It makes about as much sense as most of the media commentary on the subject, i.e. none. But rational discussion gets trampled under the boots of the cries of racist by sycophantic apologists and their simple minded followers.

I've steered clear of the discussion because both sides are equally imbecilic for the most part, and sensible discussion is quietly hiding in the dark hoping it's not next on the list to be accused.

Why does everything have to be so hard line?

[westdog54]

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Why does everything have to be so hard line?

Its a fair call in my view.

Both extremes of this issue have been so vehement in defending their claims that any attempt at rational debate is contaminated by all of the rubbish.

FWIW, the booing started when he came out and made a controvesial statement about how his people are treated in mainstream society.

Maybe he handled the situation with the 12yo Collingwood supporter badly, but that's about the worst of it, and lets face it, that situation was ballsed up by all involved. The message that the behaviour was unacceptable still stands.

I don't remember Akermanis getting widely booed for outing a player he suspected of using performance enhancing drugs, or for suggesting that Gay footballers should stay in the closet. I haven't heard Sam Mitchell getting booed for his recent antics on the field. I don't remember Leigh Matthews getting booed at any stage during his coaching career. Nick Riewoldt, who is probably one of the worst offenders in the league for staging for frees, doesn't get constantly booed.

Why Adam Goodes?

[Greystache]

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Why does everything have to be so hard line?

You mean if you boo an aboriginal you're racist no matter your motivation? Not sure, that's just the current climate we live.

[jeemak]

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You mean if you boo you're racist no matter your motivation? Not sure, that's just the current climate we live.

So are you talking about the discussion external to WOOF?

The impression I received from your comment was otherwise, though throughout the thread there's been plenty of reasonable discussion.

[Murphy'sLore]

Re: Booing Adam Goodes.

I suspect a lot of people who are booing Goodes genuinely believe that they're not doing it from racist motives. They can supply half a dozen reasons and they claim it's because of the way he's behaved as an individual, and therefore they aren't being racist in booing him.

But dig a little deeper and most of the things that upset them are race-related…

It's complicated.

[jeemak]

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Now that Allan Jones is involved hopefully some sense can come back in to the debate

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/sydney-swans/swans-star-adam-goodes-always-plays-the-victim-alan-jones-20150729-gimmn3

[chef]

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You mean if you boo an aboriginal you're racist no matter your motivation? Not sure, that's just the current climate we live.

I think the problem is people are just booing him because everyone else is, the majority dont even know why they are doing it. Herd mentality.

I dont think anyone here is saying if you boo him you're a racist.

[Greystache]

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I think the problem is people are just booing him because everyone else is, the majority dont even know why they are doing it. Herd mentality.

I dont think anyone here is saying if you boo him you're a racist.

There's a host of reasons, front and centre is people don't like being accused of being racist for no reason other than, ironically, the colour of their skin.

Paul Roos said exactly that, and the players association are now in agreement. If you're boo Adam Goodes you're being racist, no matter your reasoning.

I don't boo players because I don't really see the point. That doesn't mean I dislike them any less. I could highlight an endless string of reasons I don't like Adam Goodes. My dislike for him has grown year on year for more than a decade. But it's simply easier to call me a racist rather than actually accept that much of Goodes' behaviour has caused widespread dislike of him.

I also strongly dislike another 9 or 10 players around the AFL, most of which for similar reasons. Again I don't boo them either, but at least I would be free to should I choose, because as luck would have it they happen to be white.

[whythelongface]

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Now that Allan Jones is involved hopefully some sense can come back in to the debate

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/sydney-...0150729-gimmn3

The world according to Alan Jones (you can insert most conservative commentators here and it would be the same). All good now Adam Goodes is to blame for all this. It is he who needs to change his behaviour, not those booing him.

[jeemak]

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The world according to Alan Jones (you can insert most conservative commentators here and it would be the same). All good now Adam Goodes is to blame for all this. It is he who needs to change his behaviour, not those booing him.

I think it's a good illustration of what GS is talking about.

No commentator or news outlet (TV and radio in particular) is prepared to allocate the time and resources to explore the topic with any depth, so you end up with very little reasonable or "middle" opinions on the subject matter receiving air time.

[whythelongface]

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There's a host of reasons, front and centre is people don't like being accused of being racist for no reason other than, ironically, the colour of their skin.

Surprisingly aborigines don't like to be suppressed and called names and looked down upon, for no reason other than, ironically, the colour of their skin. Then when they make a stand, lo and behold, outrage. The community at large can't accept that a black man, who only plays football, has this opinion and feels this way. Let's boo and tell him we don't like his actions - but hey we are not being racist, we really just dislike him. No seriously we don't hate him because of his skin colour we just don't like him having an opinion and standing up for his own people. We just dislike him for his opinion. He also stages for free kicks, um dives into the ball with his legs. Yes we really dislike him. That is all. Hey but I am not racist. We would do the same if it was a white man. Wouldn't we. Yes I'm sure we would.

[Greystache]

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Surprisingly aborigines don't like to be suppressed and called names and looked down upon, for no reason other than, ironically, the colour of their skin. Then when they make a stand, lo and behold, outrage. The community at large can't accept that a black man, who only plays football, has this opinion and feels this way. Let's boo and tell him we don't like his actions - but hey we are not being racist, we really just dislike him. No seriously we don't hate him because of his skin colour we just don't like him having an opinion and standing up for his own people. We just dislike him for his opinion. He also stages for free kicks, um dives into the ball with his legs. Yes we really dislike him. That is all. Hey but I am not racist. We would do the same if it was a white man. Wouldn't we. Yes I'm sure we would.

So tar every white person because, hey, they're all white. At the same time tar every black person because, hey, they're all black and it's outrageous. Such a simplistic view.