Booing Adam Goodes.

[ReLoad]

Re: Booing Adam Goodes.

I'm going to try sum up my feelings on the saga.

Goodes, awesome footballer, champion of indigenous rights.
Booing him is bad, let's stop it, it is racism, and I think it's fair to say nobody in Australia wants to be racist.
The only thing that's made this a debate is the fact that at times Goodes has acted like a knob.

[KT31]

Re: Booing Adam Goodes.

I'm going to try sum up my feelings on the saga.

Goodes, awesome footballer, champion of indigenous rights.
Booing him is bad, let's stop it, it is racism, and I think it's fair to say nobody in Australia wants to be racist.
The only thing that's made this a debate is the fact that at times Goodes has acted like a knob.

“Please explain?”

[chef]

Re: Booing Adam Goodes.

I'm going to try sum up my feelings on the saga.

Goodes, awesome footballer, champion of indigenous rights.
Booing him is bad, let's stop it, it is racism, and I think it's fair to say nobody in Australia wants to be racist.
The only thing that's made this a debate is the fact that at times Goodes has acted like a knob.

I'm not so sure of that one.

[jeemak]

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I'm not so sure of that one.

They don't want to be called out for it.........

[Rocco Jones]

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I'm going to try sum up my feelings on the saga.

Goodes, awesome footballer, champion of indigenous rights.
Booing him is bad, let's stop it, it is racism, and I think it's fair to say nobody in Australia wants to be racist.
The only thing that's made this a debate is the fact that at times Goodes has acted like a knob.

Is this ironic humour? I love Australia but wow, maybe a country with nation wide Reclaim Australia rallies including members wearing swastikas, maybe a couple of Australians are maybe racist. Like just a wee bit.

[Bornadog]

Re: Booing Adam Goodes.

I'm going to try sum up my feelings on the saga.

Goodes, awesome footballer, champion of indigenous rights.
Booing him is bad, let's stop it, it is racism, and I think it's fair to say nobody in Australia wants to be racist.
The only thing that's made this a debate is the fact that at times Goodes has acted like a knob.

Please explain?

[Rocco Jones]

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Please explain?

I think being a minority and not knowing your place in Australia= acting like a knob.

Next time Goodes needs to wear an Australian flag to celebrate Australia Day like a good boy.

[merantau]

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Sorry merantau, I have to retract my like because of this...............

That's ok jeemak. I grew up in Braybrook.

[chef]

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Please explain?

I can't remember anything Goodes has ever done to make me think 'what a knob'.

[Bornadog]

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I can't remember anything Goodes has ever done to make me think 'what a knob'.

Me too.

[Scorlibo]

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I think what ReLoad is saying is that nobody wants to be labelled a racist. Almost unilaterally, people are motivated away from the shame of being called a racist. The issue is that too many have a very outdated or narrow view of what actually constitutes racism. There are the 'Reclaim Australia' groups to one extreme, who are active in their heinous beliefs, but of course the white Australia culture permeates through much of the population like a seemingly benign tumour, rearing its ugly head every now and then.

Although Paul Roos seems to have received more criticism than support for saying 'if Adam thinks and feels that it's racist, then it's racist', I reckon he's hit the nail on the head. Regardless of whether or not you think the booing is prejudiced at the outset by race-related issues, if Goodes feels that it is, then it is. The majority should always listen to the minority, and particularly the victim in question, for direction on these issues rather than deign to decide what is racist/offensive without consulting the ones who are affected.

Adam Goodes is a hero. His actions have been incredibly brave and often, despite clearly stressful points of discussion, he has been calm and articulate, always addressing the issues with clarity. We want the history books to paint Goodes as a hero rather than a martyr. To that end, the overwhelmingly positive response at the SCG, and all around the Australian community, makes my heart sing.

[Rocket Science]

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I can't remember anything Goodes has ever done to make me think 'what a knob'.

Me three.

And I don't mind confessing my favourite non-Bulldog since pretty much, ever.

A mighty, mighty player, and citizen. Can't fathom that he's worthy of anything but profound admiration.

[Ghost Dog]

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Me three.

And I don't mind confessing my favourite non-Bulldog since pretty much, ever.

A mighty, mighty player, and citizen. Can't fathom that he's worthy of anything but profound admiration.

But if fans think he's a knob, are they allowed to say that, or are they immediately racists.

The people of Australia did not vote for him to be Australian of the year. Talk to a lot of fans. I have a bunch of friends in sunshine, all immigrant Maltese, Italian etc. They can't stand him.

[chef]

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But if I think he's a knob, am I allowed to say that, or am I immediately a racist.

I guess it depends on why. Why do you think he's a knob?

[Ghost Dog]

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The haka is embedded in Kiwi culture. His dance is an invented one, and is directed at fans. It isn't performed at rituals. I think he's being a bit egocentric. If it was performed at the start of the game, and elevated to a ritual, it would be great. But it's just something he does when he feels like it at fans. I don't see how it won't incite people. If you are calling it a war dance then expect the horde to respond. The booing is beyond a joke now and is bullying. Adam's intentions are good, so I would really call him a knob, but he can act like one at times.

Also, I don't feel he is constructive as a speaker. His acceptance speech for AOY was not inspiring. He does good work, but he divides, doesn't unite. I dislike the way he plays for frees. Am I racist? I teach adult migrants English by the way when in Australia. That includes Sudanese.

Even if he were a bulldogs player, I would not be comfortable with him doing his celebration at whim. It's an invention. And now people will just have to sit there with folded arms, not being able to respond. That's not right.
I agree with Andrew and our views are similar.