Booing Adam Goodes.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Booing Adam Goodes.

[I]Racism isn't always deliberate and conscious, and I'm sure many of those that boo genuinely think there's no racial factor. It's called casual racism and is the sort of unthinking reflex what made even the supposedly enlightened Eddie McGuire come out with his unbelievable 'King Kong' comments.

Sorry but I take issue with this concept of casual racism and the linking of booing to casual racism. In fact I find it insulting that fans expressing their dislike/displeasure can be construed as racist just because the person the boos are centred on happens to be indigenous. That is neither helpful to the indigenous community and actually wrongfully tagging football fans with a pretty awful brush.

Just why are fans booing Goodes? Yes there are a minority who have been identified who are making racist remarks, but these are actual words or gestures that have a clear racist tone. Booing is not racist and Goodes being indigenous does not make it racist. So again I ask the question why do players get booed? Most get booed because of some action on/off the field that they have done - probably doesn't relate to this case; Players get booed for moving teams (see N Brown and R griffin) - again not applicable; Players get booed because they are really good and opposition teams dislike just how good they are - probably partly applicable in this case.

In my mind the real reason that Goodes I getting booed is because he has reacted to being booed. He is being collectively sledged by opposition fans (rightly or wrongly) because everyone can see that it is affecting his performance. Is this racist? Is it casually racist? is it fair? No, its the reality of being a sports person/entertainer. That is what happens you get booed. the choice is how you react to this.

Taking a greater good argument - restricting a fan's rights to express how they feel about a person or performance is censorship. Its a restriction on the freedom of expression. We tolerate certain limitations (ie racist), but asking people to stop booing is a joke. We should all get out there and just boo because its about the only opportunity most of us have to show how much we appreciate or dislike what is being served up.

[1eyedog]

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Sorry wrong thread

[Before I Die]

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[QUOTE=FrediKanoute;451026]
In my mind the real reason that Goodes I getting booed is because he has reacted to being booed. He is being collectively sledged by opposition fans (rightly or wrongly) because everyone can see that it is affecting his performance. Is this racist? Is it casually racist? is it fair? No, its the reality of being a sports person/entertainer. That is what happens you get booed. the choice is how you react to this.
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Hi Fredi,

I am sure you have your reasons for believing this.

I have asked myself the following questions:

Is the level of booing Goodes is receiving excessive to that any player has previously receieved?

Has he reacted more strongly to the booing than any player before him?

Is he the dirtiest player to have ever played the game?

Is he guilty of more heinous crimes off the field than any other player before him?

Is he an indigenous Australian who was awarded the honour of Australian of the Year and then used that public platform to denounce racism in modern Australia and place a question mark over Australia Day celebrations.

Has his contiuned public criticism of both overt and casual racism in Australia brought discomfort to many Australians who don't like to see themselves portrayed as racist?

My conclusion is that the booing is racist, though the majority doing the booing would not actually realise this, and certainly wouldn't acknowledge it. In fact, they would probably be quite annoyed by the very suggestion, in the same way that they were annoyed by a black man who, given the honour of being named Australian of the Year, had the temerity to use that forum to question the veracity of their Australia Day. Heck, how un-Australian. Who the hell does he think he is?

[Ghost Dog]

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[QUOTE=Before I Die;451033]

In my mind the real reason that Goodes I getting booed is because he has reacted to being booed. He is being collectively sledged by opposition fans (rightly or wrongly) because everyone can see that it is affecting his performance. Is this racist? Is it casually racist? is it fair? No, its the reality of being a sports person/entertainer. That is what happens you get booed. the choice is how you react to this.
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Hi Fredi,

I am sure you have your reasons for believing this.

I have asked myself the following questions:

Is the level of booing Goodes is receiving excessive to that any player has previously receieved?

Has he reacted more strongly to the booing than any player before him?

Is he the dirtiest player to have ever played the game?

Is he guilty of more heinous crimes off the field than any other player before him?

Is he an indigenous Australian who was awarded the honour of Australian of the Year and then used that public platform to denounce racism in modern Australia and place a question mark over Australia Day celebrations.

Has his contiuned public criticism of both overt and casual racism in Australia brought discomfort to many Australians who don't like to see themselves portrayed as racist?

My conclusion is that the booing is racist, though the majority doing the booing would not actually realise this, and certainly wouldn't acknowledge it. In fact, they would probably be quite annoyed by the very suggestion, in the same way that they were annoyed by a black man who, given the honour of being named Australian of the Year, had the temerity to use that forum to question the veracity of their Australia Day. Heck, how un-Australian. Who the hell does he think he is?

Light a candle, don't curse the darkness. Our club is handling things well I think, with the jumper, and the loud-but-fair campaign.

[Scraggers]

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A great article by Dallas Scott. The author of the blog Black Steam Train. Well worth the read.

LINK

[jeemak]

Re: Booing Adam Goodes.

A great article by Dallas Scott. The author of the blog Black Steam Train. Well worth the read.

LINK

A great read.

This is the reasoned and thought out opinion that I've been suggesting is sorely lacking from the debate.

As everything any commentator has said on this topic this shouldn't be used to confirm a finalisation of it, rather, a valuable tool in attempting to navigate through it.

Thanks for posting.

[FrediKanoute]

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[QUOTE=Before I Die;451033]

In my mind the real reason that Goodes I getting booed is because he has reacted to being booed. He is being collectively sledged by opposition fans (rightly or wrongly) because everyone can see that it is affecting his performance. Is this racist? Is it casually racist? is it fair? No, its the reality of being a sports person/entertainer. That is what happens you get booed. the choice is how you react to this.
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Hi Fredi,

I am sure you have your reasons for believing this.

I have asked myself the following questions:

Is the level of booing Goodes is receiving excessive to that any player has previously receieved?

Has he reacted more strongly to the booing than any player before him?

Is he the dirtiest player to have ever played the game?

Is he guilty of more heinous crimes off the field than any other player before him?

Is he an indigenous Australian who was awarded the honour of Australian of the Year and then used that public platform to denounce racism in modern Australia and place a question mark over Australia Day celebrations.

Has his contiuned public criticism of both overt and casual racism in Australia brought discomfort to many Australians who don't like to see themselves portrayed as racist?

My conclusion is that the booing is racist, though the majority doing the booing would not actually realise this, and certainly wouldn't acknowledge it. In fact, they would probably be quite annoyed by the very suggestion, in the same way that they were annoyed by a black man who, given the honour of being named Australian of the Year, had the temerity to use that forum to question the veracity of their Australia Day. Heck, how un-Australian. Who the hell does he think he is?

Don't people have the right to express displeasure with a black man who received an Australian honour and then belittled it? personally I don't care one way or the other (and in fact until you mentioned it didn't even know he had done this). If he had the courage to stand up publically and make a statement potentially seen as unpopular in regards Australia Day, its a little rich to then be annoyed/upset by the public's assessment of that comment. I fail to see how this reaction is racist.

What I am annoyed about is how the racist tag is being used to restrict a public expression of opinion.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Booing Adam Goodes.

A great article by Dallas Scott. The author of the blog Black Steam Train. Well worth the read.

LINK

Agreed, a great read.

[jeemak]

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You might also enjoy this FK:

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/if-youre-angry-about-the-adam-goodes-australian-of-the-year-speech-you-might-like-to-check-your-facts/story-fndv7pj3-1227463277546

[jeemak]

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I'm loving how conservatives (borderline neo-con) like Miranda Devine and Allan Jones are concerned about the well being of hard done by children all of a sudden.

I suppose as long as they don't come here by boat...............

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Now we have the holy trinity of awesomeness completed:

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/goodes-should-admit-he-is-wrong-bolt-20150730-gioa1o.html

[FrediKanoute]

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[QUOTE=jeemak;451045]

You might also enjoy this FK:

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/if-...-1227463277546

Thanks - so he didn't criticise the country or Australia day in his acceptance speech. OK so why is he being booed?

[jeemak]

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Thanks - so he didn't criticise the country or Australia day in his acceptance speech. OK so why is he being booed?

In honesty, it's much worse than simple or basic racism. It's because we're mindless, and we are without help.

Collectively we are a bunch of morons that thirst for simple villains and good guys to fit within the construct of existence as we see it, with the only difference between us being our base preferences towards how we view what is happening before us.

Our prejudices are equal. We build up walls around ourselves and those that share our views, and we continually feed ourselves with information that reaffirms them.

Adam Goodes and this issue is simply a manifestation of this.

If out of this mindless behaviour we can actually progress our society when it comes to the betterment of minorities that live within it, then great. However, this debate in its current form is beyond salvation.

[westdog54]

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Thanks - so he didn't criticise the country or Australia day in his acceptance speech. OK so why is he being booed?

Apparently, because "he's a flog".

[Ozza]

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[QUOTE=FrediKanoute;451041]

Don't people have the right to express displeasure with a black man who received an Australian honour and then belittled it? personally I don't care one way or the other (and in fact until you mentioned it didn't even know he had done this). If he had the courage to stand up publically and make a statement potentially seen as unpopular in regards Australia Day, its a little rich to then be annoyed/upset by the public's assessment of that comment. I fail to see how this reaction is racist.

What I am annoyed about is how the racist tag is being used to restrict a public expression of opinion.

I'm not sure you have read the actual transcript of what Goodes actually said in his AOTY acceptance speech if you think he belittled it.

The likes of Andrew Bolt have a lot to answer for with respect to their paraphrasing and mis-characterisation of his speech.

[Bornadog]

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In honesty, it's much worse than simple or basic racism. It's because we're mindless, and we are without help.

Collectively we are a bunch of morons that thirst for simple villains and good guys to fit within the construct of existence as we see it, with the only difference between us being our base preferences towards how we view what is happening before us.

Our prejudices are equal. We build up walls around ourselves and those that share our views, and we continually feed ourselves with information that reaffirms them.

Adam Goodes and this issue is simply a manifestation of this.

If out of this mindless behaviour we can actually progress our society when it comes to the betterment of minorities that live within it, then great. However, this debate in its current form is beyond salvation.

You do your best work at 2am. Nicely said.