Booing Adam Goodes.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Booing Adam Goodes.

Goodes gets booed because he's an Aboriginal who's spoken out about racisim and the treatment of Aboriginal people. There's no other apparent reason.

Are you sure ? From what I sense at the footy, there are large numbers of knuckle-heads who will copy what the next knuckle head is doing, because they are yobs and like to have a dig.

[ledge]

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I remember Goodes sliding in legs first into a player, that's just a no no and there's one reason he could be booed by some, he has done a few things over the years on the footy field and seemed to get away with them that aren't exactly acceptable and it has nothing to do with his race.

[hujsh]

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Are you sure ? From what I sense at the footy, there are large numbers of knuckle-heads who will copy what the next knuckle head is doing, because they are yobs and like to have a dig.

There might be some going with the flow but there still needs to be something that starts it off. I've not heard another real reason to specifically target Goodes that couldn't be applied to plenty of other players in the AFL

I remember Goodes sliding in legs first into a player, that's just a no no and there's one reason he could be booed by some, he has done a few things over the years on the footy field and seemed to get away with them that aren't exactly acceptable and it has nothing to do with his race.

I don't love Goodes as a player but can you honestly say he's significantly worse than plenty of other AFL players. What about say Judd? I don't remember the incidents you brought up for Goodes but I'm sure we all remember the eye-gouge. To my knowledge Judd isn't regularly booed (maybe against WCE)

If it turns out Goodes gave Carlton fans the finger unprovoked before this all started I'll back down from my stance but it seems you're going out of your way to make it completely unrelated to race.

[Ghost Dog]

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There might be some going with the flow but there still needs to be something that starts it off. I've not heard another real reason to specifically target Goodes that couldn't be applied to plenty of other players in the AFL

Race doesn't start it off....it's the fact he is a damaging player!
They want to affect him. Players can no longer get away with it. But a crowd can. Mob mentality.

There is safety in a mob. They are indulging in something risky, so as to stir up Adam, trying to affect him.
Footy fans are only happy when their team is winning. And all their behaviour is geared toward finding a reward for showing up.
You would find many many people in the crowd are actually married to people from a variety of backgrounds. It's a cruel sort of thing really. If he was a rookie, or not very good player, I'm not sure people would bother.







Firstdogonthemoon has his two cents

[hujsh]

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Race doesn't start it off....it's the fact he is a damaging player!
They want to affect him. Players can no longer get away with it. But a crowd can. Mob mentality.

There is safety in a mob. They are indulging in something risky, so as to stir up Adam, trying to affect him.
Footy fans are only happy when their team is winning. And all their behaviour is geared toward finding a reward for showing up.
You would find many many people in the crowd are actually married to people from a variety of backgrounds. It's a cruel sort of thing really. If he was a rookie, or not very good player, I'm not sure people would bother.


Firstdogonthemoon has his two cents

Yeah enjoyed Firstdogs piece earlier in the week

The thing is Goodes isn't really that damaging anymore so why target him specifically as opposed to Franklin? None of the proposed alternative reasons Goodes was booed really stack up. He's been dirty, but not as much as other players. He was a great player, but isn't anymore and there's much better players in his team. There's nothing specific to Carlton or the GC to start it off (the GC booing obviously being a backlash against Goodes more than anything else)

This isn't a criminal trial. There's plausible dependability about why Goodes is targeted but the obvious answer is staring us all in the face. I don't think pretending that race, and Goodes willingness to be vocal about the subject, hasn't played a part here is generally helpful.

Of course some people will just boo him because the don't like him or remember something he did that was dirty or whatever but there'd be no more of that for him than any other similar player.

[KT31]

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Booing Goodes is the equivalent as booing the villain in a pantomime, having a crack at a 10 year old disadvantaged kid is deplorable and gutless.

[Topdog]

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I don't like Goodes cos I believe him to be an annoying person. He doesn't challenge me or ask questions that are hard for me to answer, mainly because I don't listen to him at all. I only watch football and I don't like his behaviour on the field. There are many players I don't like.

He is also a protected species and the war dance aimed at intimidating the opposition crowd was an absolute disgrace. He specifically set out to antagonise the crowd. This is actually unheard of. He went on to say it was a cultural thing even though it was made up in the last decade by a local sports team. He compared it to the haka which doesn't go at fans. To me the AFL should have fined him for inciting the crowd.

I even heard one journo saying the Carlton crowd were a disgrace for yelling at him after the dance and claiming that it was racist. The AFL in allowing this is basically saying you can incite the crowd as long as you have a cultural reference for it.

[Topdog]

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I don't like Goodes cos I believe him to be an annoying person. He doesn't challenge me or ask questions that are hard for me to answer, mainly because I don't listen to him at all. I only watch football and I don't like his behaviour on the field. There are many players I don't like.

He is also a protected species and the war dance aimed at intimidating the opposition crowd was an absolute disgrace. He specifically set out to antagonise the crowd. This is actually unheard of. He went on to say it was a cultural thing even though it was made up in the last decade by a local sports team. He compared it to the haka which doesn't go at fans. To me the AFL should have fined him for inciting the crowd.

I even heard one journo saying the Carlton crowd were a disgrace for yelling at him after the dance and claiming that it was racist. The AFL in allowing this is basically saying you can incite the crowd as long as you have a cultural reference for it.

[Ghost Dog]

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I don't like Goodes cos I believe him to be an annoying person. He doesn't challenge me or ask questions that are hard for me to answer, mainly because I don't listen to him at all. I only watch football and I don't like his behaviour on the field. There are many players I don't like.

He is also a protected species and the war dance aimed at intimidating the opposition crowd was an absolute disgrace. He specifically set out to antagonise the crowd. This is actually unheard of. He went on to say it was a cultural thing even though it was made up in the last decade by a local sports team. He compared it to the haka which doesn't go at fans. To me the AFL should have fined him for inciting the crowd.

I even heard one journo saying the Carlton crowd were a disgrace for yelling at him after the dance and claiming that it was racist. The AFL in allowing this is basically saying you can incite the crowd as long as you have a cultural reference for it.

Interesting / Valid point of view. Never fear! seems the AFL are on to it Topdog Funny article here.

[KT31]

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Interesting / Valid point of view. Never fear! seems the AFL are on to it Topdog Funny article here.

Ban it and so they should, an imaginary spear could kill one of Ackers imaginary friends.

Next the Cricket Australia should ban the chainsaw, it only a matter of time before an Australian Cricketer loses and imaginary limb.

[Twodogs]

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Ban it and so they should, an imaginary spear could kill one of Ackers imaginary friends.

Next the Cricket Australia should ban the chainsaw, it only a matter of time before an Australian Cricketer loses and imaginary limb.

Or the ball could hit it when Brett isn't using it and we'd give away 5 imaginary runs.

[KT31]

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Or the ball could hit it when Brett isn't using it and we'd give away 5 imaginary runs.

Amazed it hasn't happened already, Lee seems to leave it lying in the middle of the pitch.

[Greystache]

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Or the ball could hit it when Brett isn't using it and we'd give away 5 imaginary runs.

Don't make light of the subject, I once lost a school cricket match by 3 imaginary runs. The home team needed 2 runs off the last over to win (which we confirmed with the scorers before the over commenced), we bowled a wicket maiden only to walk off the field to be told we lost by 1! A (apparently) thorough audit of the score book surprisingly confirmed the result.

[KT31]

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Don't make light of the subject, I once lost a school cricket match by 3 imaginary runs. The home team needed 2 runs off the last over to win (which we confirmed with the scorers before the over commenced), we bowled a wicket maiden only to walk off the field to be told we lost by 1! A (apparently) thorough audit of the score book surprisingly confirmed the result.

It is cheating of the first degree, very ordinary and it happens quite a bit.
One of in one of my Pups games this season the opposition found an extra 20 phantom runs, my Pup stayed back at the ground for half and hour and went over the book with a fine tooth comb, he eventually corrected the book and ended up the winner.

The other thing I detest is when a players is quite clearly stumped or ran out and the square leg (opposition player) gives it not out.

[1eyedog]

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I don't like Goodes cos I believe him to be an annoying person. He doesn't challenge me or ask questions that are hard for me to answer, mainly because I don't listen to him at all. I only watch football and I don't like his behaviour on the field. There are many players I don't like.

He is also a protected species and the war dance aimed at intimidating the opposition crowd was an absolute disgrace. He specifically set out to antagonise the crowd. This is actually unheard of. He went on to say it was a cultural thing even though it was made up in the last decade by a local sports team. He compared it to the haka which doesn't go at fans. To me the AFL should have fined him for inciting the crowd.

I even heard one journo saying the Carlton crowd were a disgrace for yelling at him after the dance and claiming that it was racist. The AFL in allowing this is basically saying you can incite the crowd as long as you have a cultural reference for it.

That's a very good, well measured post.

The reasons why he did it run deep in my opinion, still you are right, the action did incite the crowd and yes it was way outside the norm for a professional sportsperson (except Rance of course, a good Jehovahs Witness who gave the birdie to Bulldog supporters a few weeks earlier). I'm not sure if Rance got fined for inciting the crowd when he gave them the birdie? I think the crowd were calling him a homosexual at the time, so maybe it was ok. Maybe the AFL thought that Goodes may have been booed due to his race (he's been called an ape and was racially vilified from the sidelines again last year), so who knows, but if he was, as per Rance, they may have thought his war dance was ok too.

Either way the AFL rightfully didn't touch this, not on Indigenous round, talk about Pandora's Box being opened if they fined him. The AFL already have one headache with Essendon and WADA, I don't think they could deal with the fall out of being labeled discriminatory towards Goodes for inciting the crowd because he was sick of getting called an ape and being booed because he is an outspoken Abo, but not Rance because he didn't like getting called a homosexual.

Anyway, if you were looking for offence you found it in his actions, if you were looking for an example of cultural passion and pride during Indigenous round, then it was a important moment in Australian sport and reconciliation in this country.