Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

[Ozza]

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So Stevo has just picked up the phone to Rocket - and he has said exactly that.

[Drunken Bum]

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Bulldogs online have tweeted the following

RUMOR MILL:
Western Bulldogs have expressed interest again in Gold Coast Defender Steven May.

The 23 year old Key Defender has been on the Dogs radar the past couple of seasons and Bulldogs hope to land a deal for him in the last three days of trade period.

The Bulldogs have also expressed interested in Gold Coast's Pick 3



I'm not sure what the source is behind this but they do get some right.

The source would be that other footy site, Bulldogs Online is run by someone from there, the info was two separate bits of info from 2 different 'in the know' posters who i don't question have industry and club sources, and another reliable source of info on there has been saying we've been looking at ways to trade up to a higher pick for a while now too. Take most of what's said on there with more than a grain of salt but when any of those 3 and maybe 1 or 2 others post i pay attention, too much good info in the past to not give them some credence

[GVGjr]

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Cam McCarthy's manager Colin Young is suggesting that the coach and GM at GWS should hop on a plane and do their due diligence by talking to the player and his family to see exactly how homesick he is.
It all sounds plausible but I'd be asking Young why exactly did his player sign an extension earlier this year and did he negotiate this for him? I'd also like to know what has changed since that signature?

I've mentioned it before but if McCarthy is genuinely homesick, and if a deal isn't struck to trade him back, he should simply just quit the AFL and return to WA. He signed a contract that was more than fair and reasonable earlier this year and he shouldn't just expect GWS to accommodate his request unless they are compensated. Freo has burned some of the currency they had and have made it public knowledge they aren't prepared to trade other players either.

[bulldogtragic]

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If Freo were never going to offer enough to facilitate the trade then they should hang their heads in shame and apologise to Cam and GWS. It's borderline Unconscionable Conduct in my book.

[westdog54]

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Cam McCarthy's manager Colin Young is suggesting that the coach and GM at GWS should hop on a plane and do their due diligence by talking to the player and his family to see exactly how homesick he is.
It all sounds plausible but I'd be asking Young why exactly did his player sign an extension earlier this year and did he negotiate this for him? I'd also like to know what has changed since that signature?

I've mentioned it before but if McCarthy is genuinely homesick, and if a deal isn't struck to trade him back, he should simply just quit the AFL and return to WA. He signed a contract that was more than fair and reasonable earlier this year and he shouldn't just expect GWS to accommodate his request unless they are compensated. Freo has burned some of the currency they had and have made it public knowledge they aren't prepared to trade other players either.

Correct.

If you're genuinely homesick, you walk away from the elite level, get a job and play in the WAFL.

You want to go home, you've got to give up the dream.

[Remi Moses]

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May would be a very handy get ( I'd highly doubt it will happen)
I get worried when I hear throwing up next years picks ( on the other site)
Going to be interesting

[Remi Moses]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

Correct.

If you're genuinely homesick, you walk away from the elite level, get a job and play in the WAFL.

You want to go home, you've got to give up the dream.

Seems like his manager is completely incompetent.
He game out and said Freo were going to give up a first rounder this year and next.
Someone forgot to tell Fremantle .
Silly Silly Silly time of the year

[whythelongface]

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Correct.

If you're genuinely homesick, you walk away from the elite level, get a job and play in the WAFL.

You want to go home, you've got to give up the dream.

But why would he do this if there is a possibility for his Manager to negotiate with the parties involved and come to an agreement. I don't see any problem with it at all if GWS are fairly compensated by Fremantle. If they are not happy with what is on offer then don't accept it and make McCartney see out his contract or possibly use him as future trade bait.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

Cam McCarthy's manager Colin Young is suggesting that the coach and GM at GWS should hop on a plane and do their due diligence by talking to the player and his family to see exactly how homesick he is.
It all sounds plausible but I'd be asking Young why exactly did his player sign an extension earlier this year and did he negotiate this for him? I'd also like to know what has changed since that signature?

I've mentioned it before but if McCarthy is genuinely homesick, and if a deal isn't struck to trade him back, he should simply just quit the AFL and return to WA. He signed a contract that was more than fair and reasonable earlier this year and he shouldn't just expect GWS to accommodate his request unless they are compensated. Freo has burned some of the currency they had and have made it public knowledge they aren't prepared to trade other players either.

They did ask the manager that question. His response was that all the people who handled the transaction then,,,,,Silvagni Lambert and whoever,,,,are not there now. You can read into that what you want to.

[GVGjr]

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But why would he do this if there is a possibility for his Manager to negotiate with the parties involved and come to an agreement. I don't see any problem with it at all if GWS are fairly compensated by Fremantle. If they are not happy with what is on offer then don't accept it and make McCartney see out his contract or possibly use him as future trade bait.

His manager is trying to pressure GWS into trading him regardless if the compensation is fair. There is also a sense that the manager has been able to strike a vastly better financial deal with Freo that trumps the GWS contract they signed earlier this year.
Not so homesick then to any level but massively homesick now.

The players have it drummed into them right through the elite pathway that living the AFL dream can often happen at the expense of the family. This should have been no surprise.

I think what we are saying is that if he is genuinely homesick and the deal can't be struck he has the option of quitting the AFL and moving back home. His choice.

[whythelongface]

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His manager is trying to pressure GWS into trading him regardless if the compensation is fair. There is also a sense that the manager has been able to strike a vastly better financial deal with Freo that trumps the GWS contract they signed earlier this year.
Not so homesick then to any level but massively homesick now.

The players have it drummed into them right through the elite pathway that living the AFL dream can often happen at the expense of the family. This should have been no surprise.

I think what we are saying is that if he is genuinely homesick and the deal can't be struck he has the option of quitting the AFL and moving back home. His choice.

Again I don't see any issue with this. The Manager is acting in the best interests of his client and if he can negotiate what his client wants and negotiate a deal with all parties involved then so be it. Of course he is going to pressure GWS to get them to trade him to Fremantle. That is all just part of the negotiation process. GWS certainly don't have to agree with these requests.

[GVGjr]

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Again I don't see any issue with this. The Manager is acting in the best interests of his client and if he can negotiate what his client wants and negotiate a deal with all parties involved then so be it. Of course he is going to pressure GWS to get them to trade him to Fremantle. That is all just part of the negotiation process. GWS certainly don't have to agree with these requests.

I get what you are saying but I don't see it that way. Why should the player be the only one with protection? Clubs have to detail extensive reasons to break a players contract but the players and their managers are conjuring up all sorts of reasons why their client is a victim of an unreasonable club.

[whythelongface]

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I get what you are saying but I don't see it that way. Why should the player be the only one with protection? Clubs have to detail extensive reasons to break a players contract but the players and their managers are conjuring up all sorts of reasons why their client is a victim of an unreasonable club.

Interesting point. Agree that players certainly appear to have the upper hand in the negotiation process (in most instances). Certainly different to most work places, but then again the employee-employer relationship in sport is vastly different to that of other work places.

However in saying all that it is probably more evident in those players that have a greater skill set and more to offer. I don't think this is necessarily the case for those players who are only average footballers. This is also evident in other workplaces where those of a greater skill set tend to move around more freely due to their abilities and often have contracts which are paid out by their new employers.

But back to McCartney I think we are both in agreeance that his contract must be adhered to and if not fair compensation must be paid. I don't agree with the protection issue as I think clubs have the ability to enforce the contract that the player has signed. If that player does not wish to continue playing under those current terms and conditions and fair and reasonable compensation is not reached with the third party then the club should be able to stand the player down and not make him play. Now I am not privy to any player -club contract, however surely there would a clause in the contract similar to this that the club could enact. As McCartney has signed a one or two year extension (not sure) he could then be forced to sit out the remainder of his terms. This certainly would not be in his best interests and in the majority of cases the player would get on playing as good as he can so that his trade value is still at a reasonable level when his contract is up for negotiation.

Club's also have power in the employee-employer relationship by forcing a trade of a player that does not want to move. For example Daniel Cross. Or even not sign up a player who has played decent football and is left wondering what his future is ala Jarrad Grant. Therefore whilst it may appear that players have the upper hand there are certainly many instances where the club still has the power.

[Ozza]

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To me, what it sounds like, is that McCarthey was happy enough at GWS and signed an extension when he was playing good footy and the Giants were winning games. After the bye, the Giants fell off the pace, and McCarthy played poorly (only 7 of his 35 goals after the break) and then one of the top 4 teams show some interest for him to be their key forward - suddenly things at GWS are no good, and he's homesick.

[GVGjr]

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To me, what it sounds like, is that McCarthey was happy enough at GWS and signed an extension when he was playing good footy and the Giants were winning games. After the bye, the Giants fell off the pace, and McCarthy played poorly (only 7 of his 35 goals after the break) and then one of the top 4 teams show some interest for him to be their key forward - suddenly things at GWS are no good, and he's homesick.

He re signed at the end of the 2014 season. If you listen to GWS his homesickness was not evident throughout the year and seems to have started around when Freo presented his manager with a better financial deal.

I get the homesickness factor so I really hope the player and his manager aren't just trying it on to secure a better deal.