Hawthorn racism review

[Ozza]

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The former development manager, now suspended from his current school coaching role better expect to be the ‘patsy’. He looks like an easy fall guy to demonise. Or if he gets looked after by a benefactor into the future, could jump on the grenade. If he does, that’s the easiest manipulation ‘to avoid responsibility and change’. I think in Latin it’s the AFEL creed.

Oh, absolutely. He has absolutely stunk of fall guy since the day this broke.

[Jeanette54]

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It's a tricky one given the seriousness of the accusations I think it should supersede any innocent until proven guilty or clubs standing by their players/coaches sentiment.

To remove the presumption of innocence is to remove the entire basis of our law and legal system. Would you really want to revert to the French system of guilty until proven innocent?

[hujsh]

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To remove the presumption of innocence is to remove the entire basis of our law and legal system. Would you really want to revert to the French system of guilty until proven innocent?

This is not the legal system. That is a different and very slow process. I'd argue that given the serious and credible claims it'd be negligent to allow these two men to continue coaching until something changes the situation. It'd be like leaving someone accused of rape to run a women's shelter and saying 'well innocent until proven guilty'

PS I am not a laywer so I don't know if that meets the technical requirements for negligence.

Anyway I'll repeat to make it crystal clear. No one is suggesting they be pre-emptively thrown in jail. I'm saying that in the short term some basic protective measures should be taken.

[EasternWest]

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This is not the legal system. That is a different and very slow process. I'd argue that given the serious and credible claims it'd be negligent to allow these two men to continue coaching until something changes the situation. It'd be like leaving someone accused of rape to run a women's shelter and saying 'well innocent until proven guilty'

PS I am not a laywer so I don't know if that meets the technical requirements for negligence.

Anyway I'll repeat to make it crystal clear. No one is suggesting they be pre-emptively thrown in jail. I'm saying that in the short term some basic protective measures should be taken.

I admire your patience, hujsh.

[Jeanette54]

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Anyway I'll repeat to make it crystal clear. No one is suggesting they be pre-emptively thrown in jail. I'm saying that in the short term some basic protective measures should be taken.

As I understand neither of those implicated are actively coaching at present, not sure what more to expect before the investigation is complete.

[hujsh]

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As I understand neither of those implicated are actively coaching at present, not sure what more to expect before the investigation is complete.

So it sounds like if the announcement was made at the beginning of pre-season you'd be fine with it then.

[Jeanette54]

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So it sounds like if the announcement was made at the beginning of pre-season you'd be fine with it then.

Not fine with what they are accused of, but fine with the process. Provided neither they nor anyone else directly associated with the actions in question continue to have any active AFL role, until the investigation is completed, and their innocence (or otherwise) is established. Further developments will depend on the results of the report.

[The bulldog tragician]

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I’m expecting “ inconclusive” findings and the ole Royal Family Favourite: “Recollections May Vary”. Some carefully crafted lines about underestimating the meaning of family in a cultural context. A bit of a rejig here, some “cultural awareness” training there. Those names are too big to fall and the battle lines are already being drawn in a “ who do you believe” fashion.

The report almost writes itself really. I’d bet some covert undermining and briefing about any “dirt” on the players concerned is already happening.

The one thing the AFL might not have bargained for is the anger of the women involved. This all started when Cyril Rioli’s partner wouldn’t laugh off a “harmless” Jeff Kennett-makes fun of the ripped jeans - moment. But they are up against powerful forces.

[GVGjr]

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Instead of running off to run the Brisbane Olympic games as is rumored Gil should be seeing this through.

[Bornadog]

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I’m expecting “ inconclusive” findings and the ole Royal Family Favourite: “Recollections May Vary”. Some carefully crafted lines about underestimating the meaning of family in a cultural context. A bit of a rejig here, some “cultural awareness” training there. Those names are too big to fall and the battle lines are already being drawn in a “ who do you believe” fashion.

The report almost writes itself really. I’d bet some covert undermining and briefing about any “dirt” on the players concerned is already happening.

The one thing the AFL might not have bargained for is the anger of the women involved. This all started when Cyril Rioli’s partner wouldn’t laugh off a “harmless” Jeff Kennett-makes fun of the ripped jeans - moment. But they are up against powerful forces.

The AFL better do this properly, with proper independent panel members. Pretty sure many people, especially women have had a gutful of the Boys Club

[jeemak]

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Oh, absolutely. He has absolutely stunk of fall guy since the day this broke.

They've actually been drawing stink lines on him in media reports!

[jeemak]

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I’m expecting “ inconclusive” findings and the ole Royal Family Favourite: “Recollections May Vary”. Some carefully crafted lines about underestimating the meaning of family in a cultural context. A bit of a rejig here, some “cultural awareness” training there. Those names are too big to fall and the battle lines are already being drawn in a “ who do you believe” fashion.

The report almost writes itself really. I’d bet some covert undermining and briefing about any “dirt” on the players concerned is already happening.

The one thing the AFL might not have bargained for is the anger of the women involved. This all started when Cyril Rioli’s partner wouldn’t laugh off a “harmless” Jeff Kennett-makes fun of the ripped jeans - moment. But they are up against powerful forces.

I agree with this sentiment, but I also think it's plainly too disgusting a situation for it to be swept under the carpet. Geelong have had their moment, deservedly, but this report was released in Grand Final week to gain maximum exposure and I think post Tuesday evening it will be the top of the agenda and will overshadow the free agency period due to commence Friday.

Gillon must go and can't hold court in any proceedings from here. I get he'll stay but his legacy will/ should be somewhat trashed as the coming weeks unfold. This is the biggest shit show comprising racism the league has faced. It's not Michael Long being called the unmentionable things he was called in the 90s, it's not Adam Goodes being booed. It is Gestapo marching into houses and tearing families apart bad, nothing reported in Australian sport these past decades comes close to what has been alleged (which is a conciliatory term I'd prefer not to use).

The way the report reads someone is going to be branded a liar, or someone is going to have to admit they were in attendance and did nothing. In either of those circumstances nothing can be saved for those implicated. They're done.

[jeemak]

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Instead of running off to run the Brisbane Olympic games as is rumored Gil should be seeing this through.

If only to be completely shamed as he should be for his horrendous record when it comes to racism in the AFL.

I've voiced my derision of him as a person/ type of person many times around here, so I won't need to do it again. However, if anything that is positive could come from it it needs to involve him being made accountable for being asleep at the wheel and not being a true leader in this area.

[Bornadog]

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Lawyers are going to make big dollars.

Chris Fagan has retained Clayton Utz lawyers together with barristers Liam Kelly KC and David Turner to act on his behalf in relation to the proposed forthcoming investigation by the AFL.

[Jeanette54]

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The way the report reads someone is going to be branded a liar

Problem is, who?

From today's Sun:
North Melbourne chair Sonja Hood made clear on the weekend she believed Clarkson was innocent, saying on Saturday: “I’m really confident in his side of the story and I’m sure we’ll all get the chance to hear that through the AFL’s process.