2011 - NAB Rising Star

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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 65645

    Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

    Originally posted by Captain Groenewagon
    The league has 24 hours after the completion of each round to nominate each week.
    How many people would you recommend be involved?
    There is no prize for being nominated other than an invite to a luncheon at the end of the year and a round of media interviews.

    Clearly a flawed system and seemingly subject to lobbying the individual responsible, but what's the alternative?
    How about an official at every match and then they get together for a quick discussion and pick a player. But to have someone not even see a player play and base it on stats is a joke.
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    • Doc26
      Coaching Staff
      • Sep 2009
      • 3087

      Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

      Originally posted by Captain Groenewagon
      The league has 24 hours after the completion of each round to nominate each week.
      How many people would you recommend be involved?There is no prize for being nominated other than an invite to a luncheon at the end of the year and a round of media interviews.

      Clearly a flawed system and seemingly subject to lobbying the individual responsible, but what's the alternative?
      Doesn't sound like it's the League, whoever that may be, it reads that it is Kevin Sheehan with sole responsibility.

      As to your second question. More than one. Any element of bias or perceived bias needs to be removed.

      There is certainly NO prospect of a prize for not being nominated.

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      • 1eyedog
        Hall of Fame
        • Mar 2008
        • 13138

        Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

        Originally posted by The Coon Dog
        Geelong's Allen Christensen is the round 18 NAB Rising Star nominee.

        2011 Rising Stars

        1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
        2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
        3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
        4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
        5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
        6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
        7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
        8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
        9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
        10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
        11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
        12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
        13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
        14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
        15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
        16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND
        17. Trent McKenzie - Gold Coast (Western Jets) - GCDC 2009
        18. Allen Christensen - Geelong - (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 40 - 2009ND
        Gee Hawthorn have done well out of that with picks 47 and 75.
        But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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        • Sockeye Salmon
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 6365

          Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

          Originally posted by 1eyedog
          Gee Hawthorn have done well out of that with picks 47 and 75.
          The most notable thing for me is that only 3 of the top 10 (or 4 of the top 15) gave been given the gong.

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          • ledge
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2007
            • 14033

            Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

            I am backing Libber this week.
            Bring back the biff

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            • Mantis
              Hall of Fame
              • Apr 2007
              • 15220

              Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

              Originally posted by 1eyedog
              Gee Hawthorn have done well out of that with picks 47 and 75.
              They were drafted in 2008... they shouldn't be eligible given that they have had 3 pre-seasons in the AFL system.

              The whole competition is a joke.... made even more so by todays article.

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              • ledge
                Hall of Fame
                • Dec 2007
                • 14033

                Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

                Originally posted by Mantis
                They were drafted in 2008... they shouldn't be eligible given that they have had 3 pre-seasons in the AFL system.

                The whole competition is a joke.... made even more so by todays article.
                Completely agree Mantis after 3 preseasons you should be getting a game or off the list by then anyway.
                Rising star I would have thought at least a few good games in your first season.

                I had respect for Kevin over the years but now I am not sure where he gets the "god" title on young guns after seeing whats gone on this year.
                Must admit I am sick of hearing in every carnival the same bland comments from him every year.
                Bring back the biff

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                • Hotdog60
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 5787

                  Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

                  They could have the club presidents or proxy's give votes on the opposition young players at the games they attend and then tally them up at the end of the year like a junior brownlow.
                  Don't piss off old people
                  The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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                  • azabob
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 15144

                    Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

                    If Kevin Sheehan is as good as spotting talent why hasn't a club hired him?
                    More of an In Bruges guy?

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                    • The Coon Dog
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 7575

                      Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star


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                      • Jasper
                        Senior Player
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 1248

                        Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

                        Originally posted by Hotdog60
                        They could have the club presidents or proxy's give votes on the opposition young players at the games they attend and then tally them up at the end of the year like a junior brownlow.
                        Definitely prefer Jeff Kennett & Greg Westaway giving votes than Kevin Sheehan............
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                        • soupman
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 5080

                          Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

                          Could they potentially do it based on the coaches votes? The coaches each give a 5,4,3,2,1 each week don't they? Could they give the rising star nomination to the highest polling player for the week that meets the eligibility criteria? That would mean it would go to the most influential rising star of the week. Again it would mean some players miss out, but it would be more reflective of their impact on the match.
                          I should leave it alone but you're not right

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                          • Greystache
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 9775

                            Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

                            Originally posted by soupaman
                            Could they potentially do it based on the coaches votes? The coaches each give a 5,4,3,2,1 each week don't they? Could they give the rising star nomination to the highest polling player for the week that meets the eligibility criteria? That would mean it would go to the most influential rising star of the week. Again it would mean some players miss out, but it would be more reflective of their impact on the match.
                            It's a good idea Soupa, I guess the question is what is the fall back plan should no eligible player receive a vote in a particular week (which I'd imagine would happen reasonably regularly)?
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                            • soupman
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 5080

                              Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

                              Originally posted by Greystache
                              It's a good idea Soupa, I guess the question is what is the fall back plan should no eligible player receive a vote in a particular week (which I'd imagine would happen reasonably regularly)?
                              That is an obvious flaw and my only solution is in the event that no eligible player records any votes for the round that weeks nomination goes to the next best performing elgibile player based on their efforts prior to that round. So say no one gets any votes in round 3, it would go to the player who has gotten the most votes from rounds 1 and 2, thus doing the whole "rewarding him for consistency" thing.

                              Another flaw is inequal matches. ie. In a close game there might be roughly half the votes from each coach (so 15/30 all up) allocated to each team. ie. there might be an equal spread of votes given to the two teams because thewy both played well and both had good players. However in a blowout 20-25 of the 30 votes might go to just one team, which could inflate a young players good performance in a blowout over a young players good performance in a close match, when the latter may be more worthy of the nomination.

                              And finally in my argument against myself there is also the issue that there will be players who will have the "votes" to earn the nomination for multiple weeks, so do you nominate them 2, 3, or 4 times or once nominated are theu struck from the pool.
                              Last edited by soupman; 28-07-2011, 03:55 PM. Reason: Just Hold Steady.
                              I should leave it alone but you're not right

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                              • LostDoggy
                                WOOF Member
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 8307

                                Re: 2011 - NAB Rising Star

                                The Gromit has to be a chance this week!

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