Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

[jeemak]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

Well, regular trips to a clinic to receive treatment that aids recovery via an injection could be an example. Quickening recovery times allows players to do the things you regard as basic, but yet key more often. I'm not talking about getting juiced up here.

Whether the scenario I mentioned is fantasy right now, isn't really the point. I'm not qualified to assess that, and I suspect you're not either.

You're talking about the spirit of the game, or what attributes comprise competitive sport. So, if you're willing to explain to me what the issue with the above scenario would be, I'd appreciated it.

[jeemak]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

Sorry, I see you've edited your original post. Let's leave it at that.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

Fair enough. But the point still stands though that if it was legal, then all the clubs would do it and we would be back to a level playing field. Can't see the point.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

As a young person You wouldn't worry about it ( hey, if the club thinks its okay)
As a parent I'm wondering why on earth someone who has no medical qualifications is sticking a needle in my sons stomach .
Hird's condemned by his own words.
"I'm responsible for decisions made at this football club"
Regardless of the vigouress defence by "Hirdy's a great bloke " mates

[LostDoggy]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

Well, regular trips to a clinic to receive treatment that aids recovery via an injection could be an example. Quickening recovery times allows players to do the things you regard as basic, but yet key more often. I'm not talking about getting juiced up here.

Whether the scenario I mentioned is fantasy right now, isn't really the point. I'm not qualified to assess that, and I suspect you're not either.

You're talking about the spirit of the game, or what attributes comprise competitive sport. So, if you're willing to explain to me what the issue with the above scenario would be, I'd appreciated it.

A lot of what the cyclists have been up to involves recovery. It doesn't help them ride faster, it helps them ride every day fresh as can be.

[jeemak]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

Fair enough. But the point still stands though that if it was legal, then all the clubs would do it and we would be back to a level playing field. Can't see the point.

Do you know that each and every club isn't employing a similar tactic? Do you know that our club is completely clean?

TBH Ghotst Dog, you don't know anything. Just like me.

[jeemak]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

As a young person You wouldn't worry about it ( hey, if the club thinks its okay)
As a parent I'm wondering why on earth someone who has no medical qualifications is sticking a needle in my sons stomach .
Hird's condemned by his own words.
"I'm responsible for decisions made at this football club"
Regardless of the vigouress defence by "Hirdy's a great bloke " mates

This is overly emotive.

I'd be very concerned if people without medical qualifications were pumping substances into anyone, trust me, you don't have to be a parent to know that's not cool.

I just don't see why under a controlled and professional setting, it can't be done succesfully.

[Bornadog]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

This is overly emotive.

I'd be very concerned if people without medical qualifications were pumping substances into anyone, trust me, you don't have to be a parent to know that's not cool.

I just don't see why under a controlled and professional setting, it can't be done succesfully.

If Essendon were pumping something into the players, you would think the medicos and football department staff are aware of it.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

Do you know that each and every club isn't employing a similar tactic? Do you know that our club is completely clean?

TBH Ghotst Dog, you don't know anything. Just like me.

(?) through to the keeper.

Take Cerebrolysin, for example. comes from pigs brains, not a banned substance, but not yet trialled or ok'ed for use in Australia.
Yet you can get it on the internet easily. Not sure I would want my son to be injected with it, legal or not.

Sports science moves a few steps faster than the policing agencies and laws; it's a very murky area. The easiest way to prevent having to slap massive amounts of paperwork onto clubs and burden the code with more legislation is to put the responsibility for all this back in the hands of the club doctor.

BAS makes a good point with Cyclists and the use of drugs to assist recovery. Has not done their sport much good has it?

[Topdog]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

(?) through to the keeper.

Take Cerebrolysin, for example. comes from pigs brains, not a banned substance, but not yet trialled or ok'ed for use in Australia.
Yet you can get it on the internet easily. Not sure I would want my son to be injected with it, legal or not.

If it hasn't been OK'ed for use in Australia it is illegal.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

This is overly emotive.

I'd be very concerned if people without medical qualifications were pumping substances into anyone, trust me, you don't have to be a parent to know that's not cool.

I just don't see why under a controlled and professional setting, it can't be done succesfully.

Did the doctors know? Have we got to a stage where we have to resort with sticking needles without knowing whether its legal or not?

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

If it hasn't been OK'ed for use in Australia it is illegal.

Absolutely, or so I would have thought. But there's a bunch of stuff in a sort of 'Grey area' of legislation. Stuff that's used for general health issues ( eg; aphrodisiacs ) that can theoretically be used to heal cartilage or stimulate growth.
Not something a club doctor is going to muck around with, but a Sports Scientist might.

[F'scary]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

All football supporters should read Andrew Bolt's recent articles on the "drugs in sport" so-called scandal.

Interesting perspective.

[Twodogs]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

All football supporters should read Andrew Bolt's recent articles on the "drugs in sport" so-called scandal.

Interesting perspective.

Bolt's perspective is slanted and he has an agenda.

[The Underdog]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

All football supporters should read Andrew Bolt's recent articles on the "drugs in sport" so-called scandal.

Interesting perspective.

Usually I'd be an advocate of reading a wide range of perspectives and using them to form an informed opinion. But in this case Andrew Bolt is such an appalling *!*!*!*! I'd rather just sidestep his existence on the planet completely.