Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

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  • Bulldog4life
    WOOF Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 9607

    Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

    Dons in the gun over practices

    THE high-performance program at Essendon Football Club came under the scrutiny of the Australian Crime Commission and was one key element of the damning report released on Thursday.

    But Fairfax Media understands that Essendon was not the club singled out for ''team-based doping orchestrated by some club officials and coaching staff'''.


    As Bombers officials on Friday met investigators from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, the dubious practices adopted by the club and its high-performance program appear in danger of having violated anti-doping rules under the code.

    While club president David Evans said on Tuesday he did not believe his players had taken performance-enhancing substances, the club is being investigated for breaking the ASADA charter, which includes strict guidelines regarding the administering of substances.
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    An administrator found guilty of adopting a prohibited method in providing substances to an athlete faces a ban of up to two years. An athlete also can face a two-year ban for taking a drug not currently on the banned list but containing similar components to other banned drugs. Thursday's crime commission report singled out ''specific high-performance staff, sports scientists and coaches within some codes who have condoned and/or orchestrated the administration of prohibited substances, and substances not yet approved for human consumption …''

    The prevailing view is that while the Essendon players did not necessarily use banned substances they might have been victim to banned administering methods. Stephen Dank, one high-performance expert now sacked from the club, is reported to have injected his players in the stomach with an unknown substance.

    Players were also fed with intravenous drips off-site. The AFL on Friday moved to ban intravenous drug and supplement use.

    The AFL's newest club, Greater Western Sydney, moved this week to reassure parents of its young and largely teenaged playing group that the club's medical and sports science practices were safe. Giants chief executive David Matthews confirmed that the club had written to the families of all its players ''following the speculation around this week. We didn't want them to be concerned about anything reading the papers and we simply reassured them as we have in the past that we prioritise welfare.''

    Matthews said the letter included some details from the club's high-performance boss John Quinn outlining his training program. The AFL has been bound by a confidentiality agreement which prevented it from revealing its knowledge of clubs and individuals being investigated. But it is known it was briefed about certain individuals and at least one club.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...#ixzz2KMfz9i9v

    Now that is interesting.

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    • Remi Moses
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 14785

      Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

      It's painful listening to Harford on SEN.
      He tried to draw a comparison with the regular joe visiting his GP and getting incorrect injections .Defended the big wigs at Essendon by saying they had no idea what was happening.
      Fair Dinkum if your Boss employed someone who incorrectly performed a medical procedure , he'd be fired and sued.

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      • Twodogs
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 27654

        Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

        Originally posted by Remi Moses
        It's painful listening to Harford on SEN.
        He tried to draw a comparison with the regular joe visiting his GP and getting incorrect injections .Defended the big wigs at Essendon by saying they had no idea what was happening.
        Fair Dinkum if your Boss employed someone who incorrectly performed a medical procedure , he'd be fired and sued.

        It's more Robbo. He's a good comedian going to waste with some of the rubbish he's been talking in the last hour.
        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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        • Remi Moses
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 14785

          Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

          Originally posted by Twodogs
          It's more Robbo. He's a good comedian going to waste with some of the rubbish he's been talking in the last hour.
          Both horrible Sycophants..

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          • Twodogs
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 27654

            Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

            Robbo's Essendon heart is firmly attached to his sleeve though. He's currently talking about how speed was legal in the '50s-I'm not sure what that's got to do with anything and I suspect it's not even correct.
            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

              Originally posted by Topdog
              I disagree with a lot of your post but this part in particular is just wrong.

              Tanking has nothing to do with betting. Teams tank to finish lower on the ladder, it is a disgraceful thing to do.
              Performance enhancing drugs - how does this have anything to do with betting? They are taken so that the team can win, they are taken as it is an "easy way to win".
              Gambling amongst players/club officials. This is certainly not a good look but at least now it is legal and regulated. If it went underground I would hate to see how bad it got.
              I'm talking about tanking as in deliberately losing a game. How else do you think match-fixing happens? “I'll give you a coupla grand to win the game”?

              From the information getting around at the moment, if true, the supposed “crime gangs” are importing and providing access to performance enhancing drugs to get the players/officials/whoever on their side of the law, then extorting them for match day info, etc.

              I respect that you may disagree, but my point is not “just wrong”.

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              • chef
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2008
                • 14617

                Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                Originally posted by BornAScragger
                I'm talking about tanking as in deliberately losing a game. How else do you think match-fixing happens? “I'll give you a coupla grand to win the game”?

                From the information getting around at the moment, if true, the supposed “crime gangs” are importing and providing access to performance enhancing drugs to get the players/officials/whoever on their side of the law, then extorting them for match day info, etc.

                I respect that you may disagree, but my point is not “just wrong”.
                I think spot betting is the bigger problem.
                The curse is dead.

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                • Remi Moses
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 14785

                  Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                  Originally posted by Twodogs
                  Robbo's Essendon heart is firmly attached to his sleeve though. He's currently talking about how speed was legal in the '50s-I'm not sure what that's got to do with anything and I suspect it's not even correct.
                  The station is bordering on embarrassing .
                  Mark Fine tonight waffling on about that it's okay to be a little bit of a cheat but not of Lance Armstrong proportions.

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                  • Throughandthrough
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 3201

                    Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                    Originally posted by Remi Moses
                    Fair Dinkum if your Boss employed someone who incorrectly performed a medical procedure , he'd be fired and sued.

                    Definitely, especially as she isn't even a doctor

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                    • Mofra
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 14945

                      Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                      Originally posted by Bulldog4life
                      http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-d...-pushed-220786


                      3AW commentator and former Brownlow Medalist Gerard Healy believes the club could be banned from the AFL for up to two years if the allegations are proven to be true.

                      Healy also suggested some members of the club knew of the concerns surrounding the supplement use a year ago, despite officials saying they only became aware of it in the past two days.
                      According to some the doping authorities can only ban individuals for up to two years, not clubs. It's going to get very interesting as this story unfolds.

                      I take multivitamins - I don't to have them injected into my stomach, nor do any of the elite athletes/soldiers I've met.
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                      • whythelongface
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 4484

                        Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                        Originally posted by Mofra
                        According to some the doping authorities can only ban individuals for up to two years, not clubs. It's going to get very interesting as this story unfolds.

                        I take multivitamins - I don't to have them injected into my stomach, nor do any of the elite athletes/soldiers I've met.
                        The injecting part is what gets me. It must work itself into the system quicker by administering it via injections or intravenously, thus aiding in recovery. Apart from vitamins and calves blood I wonder what else was administered.

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                          Please forgive the total medical and biological ignorance of this question, but does injecting it rather than taking it orally leave fewer traces in the urine?

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                          • Bulldog Joe
                            Premiership Moderator
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 5565

                            Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                            There is no doubt that the injecting is to get a quicker reaction.

                            Taken orally anything needs to be absorbed through the digestive system. This may also filter out some of the sought after benefits.

                            An intravenous injection gets 100% of the substance (legal or otherwise) straight to the bloodstream, T

                            I believe injection into the stomach (as the Essendon claims appear to be) will be more efficient than oral medication.
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                            • LostDoggy
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8307

                              Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                              Originally posted by whythelongface
                              The injecting part is what gets me. It must work itself into the system quicker by administering it via injections or intravenously, thus aiding in recovery. Apart from vitamins and calves blood I wonder what else was administered.
                              Whatever happened to half an orange at three-quarter time?

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                              • Ghost Dog
                                WOOF Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 9404

                                Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                                up to 6 NRL clubs going to be notified they are under investigation. Not looking good from a National perspective...
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