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  • Ghost Dog
    WOOF Member
    • May 2010
    • 9404

    Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

    Who was it on here that admitted that despite loathing him, Kennet's opinion on an issue coincided with theirs? Now and then, fools get it right.
    You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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    • Greystache
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Dec 2009
      • 9775

      Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

      Originally posted by Twodogs
      Bolt's perspective is slanted and he has an agenda.
      As opposed to all other journalists?
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      • Remi Moses
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 14785

        Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

        Originally posted by F'scary
        All football supporters should read Andrew Bolt's recent articles on the "drugs in sport" so-called scandal.

        Interesting perspective.
        No thanks, rather eat my own vomit .

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        • Twodogs
          Moderator
          • Nov 2006
          • 27664

          Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

          Originally posted by Greystache
          As opposed to all other journalists?



          He's a columnist not a run of the mill journo. That means he expresses an opinion as opposed to merely reporting the news.

          You dont think he's running an agenda?
          They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 67308

            Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

            Originally posted by Twodogs
            Bolt's perspective is slanted and he has an agenda.
            Right wing nazi
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            • Greystache
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Dec 2009
              • 9775

              Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

              Originally posted by Twodogs
              He's a columnist not a run of the mill journo. That means he expresses an opinion as opposed to merely reporting the news.

              You dont think he's running an agenda?
              I've no interest in what he writes, but almost all opinion pieces are written by journalists with an agenda. I don't see why this one would be disregarded for that reason alone.
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              • Twodogs
                Moderator
                • Nov 2006
                • 27664

                Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                Originally posted by Greystache
                I've no interest in what he writes, but almost all opinion pieces are written by journalists with an agenda. I don't see why this one would be disregarded for that reason alone.
                Then there isn't really any point discussing it I guess.
                They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                  Originally posted by F'scary
                  All football supporters should read Andrew Bolt's recent articles on the "drugs in sport" so-called scandal.

                  Interesting perspective.
                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  Right wing nazi
                  I'd rather stick those needles Essendon are (allegedly) using in my eyes, thanks.

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                  • Maddog37
                    WOOF Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3132

                    Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                    I read the article and it has some good points as usual mixed in with some of Bolts usual ravings.

                    Not sure why people are so close minded so as to not even read something recommended by a fellow woofer.

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                    • Remi Moses
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 14785

                      Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                      The bloke's a conspiracy theorist .
                      Everything in the world is a "Leftist" conspiracy.
                      Complete crackpot.

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                      • Ghost Dog
                        WOOF Member
                        • May 2010
                        • 9404

                        Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                        He used to BE a leftist. He identified that there were a lack of voices on the right and thought by becoming the 'voice of the right' this would be an instant way to differentiate himself from the pack. He's an opportunistic idiot. Over the years, his pretence has hardened and made him bitter and twisted.
                        You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                        • jeemak
                          Bulldog Legend
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 22011

                          Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                          The more I read of this particular commentator the more I forget how much I despised her. It's funny how party allegiance and political nessecity can sway the actions of a person. This article touches on a few of my thoughts on the whole saga:



                          The reputation of Australian sport, both domestically and internationally, has been comprehensively trashed. Players, coaches, administrators and health professionals are all lumped under a dark cloud. One can only hope there is some as-yet-unidentified imperative that demanded such a comprehensive do-over of just about everybody involved in sport.

                          Drugs in sport is a topical issue and a sure bet for media interest. The Australian Crime Commission report would have received widespread media coverage in any event. Just the mention of drugs in sport or organised crime would have done that. Link the two and there's a certain story.

                          Organising a press conference with two federal ministers and a bevy of senior sports people added drama and the sense of an emergency. That ensured the coverage would be dramatic and sensational. Stirring the media up in this instance was like taking candy from a baby. Both ministers knew that.

                          The Crime Commission is apparently hamstrung in terms of being able to release names of players or clubs. Both ministers - Sport Minister Kate Lundy and Justice Minister Jason Clare - knew that, too. They understood that everyone was going to be tarred. People in sport were left with this damaging story running wild and unable to clear their names. The ministers must also have known the story would whip around the world, leaving all our sports people and our national reputation tarnished. The word reckless comes to mind.

                          Why then did they act in a way that magnified the damage to morale and reputations, rather than mitigate it? Why didn't they have information to hand that would at least put a realistic perspective on the story? For example, if it is correct that in the AFL there is one club and one player from one other club realistically under a cloud, then why not say that? Why not for each sport give an indication of the proportion under suspicion?

                          The damage is not limited to players, coaches and administrators, although that in itself is significant. Just imagine if everyone in your workplace was under suspicion for being a cheat or an illegal drug user. How would you feel? As the days go by, tension builds. With the mud chucked so liberally around, everyone is wondering if their club or one of their players will be next. Doubt is the most toxic of all weapons. Humans hate it. Morale takes a beating. It would be no fun.

                          The families of all these people worry about both the well-being and the reputation of their loved ones. Beyond that, of course, there are the sponsors. Quite rightly, they don't want to be sponsoring cheats.

                          Illicit or performance-enhancing drugs in sport are a bad thing. Shining a light on that is a laudable. Sadly, the ministers failed to shine a nice sharp clear light on the problem. Instead, they just chucked a lot of mud around, over everyone.

                          The whole scenario looked as though it was done for the purpose of getting headlines. After all, the media spotlight on drugs in sport is much more beneficial to the government than more news about union corruption or Wayne Swan's incompetence. Remember, the media's focus can affect the results of opinion polls.

                          No doubt with that in mind, the Minister for Sport put on her best steely glare, looked at the camera and, in a show of misplaced bravado and confidence, purported to tell the crooks and the cheats that their time was up. But saying ''If you cheat we will catch you'' is hardly likely to scare the pants off a drug dealer who hasn't been caught so far. The very existence and the content of the report indicates that in fact these people haven't been caught.

                          Presumably authorities already have all the evidence they can acquire covertly. Let's hope so because the minister has, with her show of bravado, put every drug runner on red alert. Now the crooks will be much more careful. If they can destroy evidence they will. If people need to leave the country they will have done so. Those who can will lie low for a while.

                          Sure, players and staff who are under suspicion can be interviewed. So they should be. But regrettably, thanks to this media extravaganza, the element of surprise has gone. The bad guys have been given time to get their story in order, to cross-check with each other and thus impede an investigation. It is extraordinarily unusual for law enforcement investigations to be enhanced by pre-warning the crooks through the media.

                          The problem the government knew about (it funded the inquiry) is worse than it thought. That tells us the current policy settings are not working. But if there has been an announcement detailing new policy settings, I missed it. More money may not be needed. But if it is, it hasn't been committed.

                          If the media splash had been used to back up new, well-thought-out policy initiatives, it might have served a purpose. Surely this was not done to soften up the Finance Minister for extra money in pre-budget negotiations. Perhaps it was nothing more than a case of grab the headlines now, think later.

                          Prior to this attack on sporting reputations around Australia, the sad fact that some people in sport use performance-enhancing or illegal drugs was known and deplored. The media management of this has simply ensured that many people now suspect everyone is involved. That seems to be all that has changed. Plenty of mud was thrown around. No mop and bucket was in sight.

                          It is ironic that in the name of getting fair play in sport, so many innocent people have been recklessly put under suspicion. That doesn't seem to be playing fair at all.



                          Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/pol...#ixzz2LLS65Buh
                          TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                          • hujsh
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 11888

                            Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                            Originally posted by Maddog37
                            I read the article and it has some good points as usual mixed in with some of Bolts usual ravings.

                            Not sure why people are so close minded so as to not even read something recommended by a fellow woofer.
                            I think most people here would know enough of Bolt to form their own idea about the worth of his opinion. No matter who recommends his articles I'm not interested not because I'm closed minded but because I've seen enough of his work to know not to bother.
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                            • jeemak
                              Bulldog Legend
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 22011

                              Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                              Originally posted by hujsh
                              I think most people here would know enough of Bolt to form their own idea about the worth of his opinion. No matter who recommends his articles I'm not interested not because I'm closed minded but because I've seen enough of his work to know not to bother.
                              It's funny, as soon as I found out about the stuff he writes I had to check in from time to time. You know, irrespective of whether you think he's a lunatic you kind of need to know what he's up to, just so you can stay in touch with the people he obviously appeals to.
                              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                              • Maddog37
                                WOOF Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 3132

                                Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

                                Simply closing the door to people or ideas is short sighted though. They might write crap 99% of the time and I get the point regarding Bolt but you never know what you might learn from strange sources at different times. Each to their own though as I now sound like I am preaching.

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