Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

[chef]

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Wonder who the AFL player how failed the drug test(performance enhancing) is.

[Topdog]

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I'm talking about tanking as in deliberately losing a game. How else do you think match-fixing happens? “I'll give you a coupla grand to win the game”?

From the information getting around at the moment, if true, the supposed “crime gangs” are importing and providing access to performance enhancing drugs to get the players/officials/whoever on their side of the law, then extorting them for match day info, etc.

I respect that you may disagree, but my point is not “just wrong”.

Spot fixing and match fixing are very different. Match fixing is just impossible in the AFL with 100 points per team per game.
Spot fixing is possible

[Remi Moses]

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Spot fixing is the biggest issue.
They bet on first throw ins, corners and every inconsequential moment in a sporting match.
Biggest indictment on sport

[Ghost Dog]

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I remember being taunted by Essendon supporters in the past for being a 'poor' club.
Well look who's laughing now. All the money in the world could not get them out of the sh*t creek full of peptide madness they are in now.

[jeemak]

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I remember being taunted by Essendon supporters in the past for being a 'poor' club.
Well look who's laughing now. All the money in the world could not get them out of the sh*t creek they are in now.

I'm not entirely convinced of that. There's a lot to be played out in this.

ASADA will have its work cut out to prove any illegal doping took place, and while there's been some serious red flags about the conduct of Essendon's sports science staff and the conduct of club management to this point, finding concrete evidence of wrongdoing is going to be difficult.

If anything Essendon's resources will put them in good stead to fight charges brought against them, especially over a drawn out investigative process. I'd truly despair if any such accusation was brought against our club, as we'd not have the resources to adequately fight them.

As it stands Essendon looks as as if they've not had appropriate governance procedures in place as well as some borderline medical activity, but not a lot more on what's been presented so far.

This whole saga for mine has been handled terribly by the authorities. They've lost the element of surprise, and are going to look extremely silly if they can't produce any evidence of illegal practices taking place. More and more last Thursday's press conference looks like a shot across the bow of sporting clubs and players, and a career building exercise for other parties.

[Bornadog]

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I'm not entirely convinced of that. There's a lot to be played out in this.

ASADA will have its work cut out to prove any illegal doping took place, and while there's been some serious red flags about the conduct of Essendon's sports science staff and the conduct of club management to this point, finding concrete evidence of wrongdoing is going to be difficult.

If anything Essendon's resources will put them in good stead to fight charges brought against them, especially over a drawn out investigative process. I'd truly despair if any such accusation was brought against our club, as we'd not have the resources to adequately fight them.

As it stands Essendon looks as as if they've not had appropriate governance procedures in place as well as some borderline medical activity, but not a lot more on what's been presented so far.

This whole saga for mine has been handled terribly by the authorities. They've lost the element of surprise, and are going to look extremely silly if they can't produce any evidence of illegal practices taking place. More and more last Thursday's press conference looks like a shot across the bow of sporting clubs and players, and a career building exercise for other parties.

Good article here A black and red issue, but grey areas rule

on that very issue

[jeemak]

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Thanks for posting that BAD(ness).

I see CH7 is hosting a summit on Thursday night on the topic of drugs in the AFL. It's up to the football public to keep a collective level head and not indulge hyperbole presented by media outlets for the purposes of profit where this topic is concerned.

I won't be watching it. Whilst it's on a less consequential tip, this kind of reminds me of the bushfire situation experienced this summer, where all media outlets are salivating at the prospect of extreme drama and misery, providing them with something to report.

It's going to be a long month before the season starts.

[Remi Moses]

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I'm not entirely convinced of that. There's a lot to be played out in this.

ASADA will have its work cut out to prove any illegal doping took place, and while there's been some serious red flags about the conduct of Essendon's sports science staff and the conduct of club management to this point, finding concrete evidence of wrongdoing is going to be difficult.

If anything Essendon's resources will put them in good stead to fight charges brought against them, especially over a drawn out investigative process. I'd truly despair if any such accusation was brought against our club, as we'd not have the resources to adequately fight them.

As it stands Essendon looks as as if they've not had appropriate governance procedures in place as well as some borderline medical activity, but not a lot more on what's been presented so far.

This whole saga for mine has been handled terribly by the authorities. They've lost the element of surprise, and are going to look extremely silly if they can't produce any evidence of illegal practices taking place. More and more last Thursday's press conference looks like a shot across the bow of sporting clubs and players, and a career building exercise for other parties.

Good points made, but the AFL falling under Wada's doping laws good resources are going to mean little . I found the whole parent teacher talkfest bizarre, as Essendon don't know themselves what their players have taken.

[jeemak]

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Good points made, but the AFL falling under Wada's doping laws good resources are going to mean little . I found the whole parent teacher talkfest bizarre, as Essendon don't know themselves what their players have taken.

I assume WADA will have the same issues ASADA (though, they're apparently significantly less resourced) will face when it comes to determinning if any wrongdoing has taken place (unless of course, any of the substances they admit to have given their players fall under WADA's code as being illegal).

Your second point is well made, and it aligns with my opinion that Essendon's governance has been nothing short of pathetic in this instance. On the one hand the feedback session could be viewed as preparing parents of players for the worst, or it could be a simplistic window dressing exercise to give the public the impression they are a diligent gaurdian of young adults, who care about the culture of their club and the wellbeing of its players.

For mine it's the latter, and falls in the category of PR driven damage control.

[ledge]

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One thing we do know is essendon were using a substance that hasn't been tested so in that instance it is illegal, whether it's ok or not. Not going to the drug testing companies before using it and asking is it ok is on crime for a start.
Then you ask why didnt they if they thought it was ok?
Guilty of not letting ASADA know in the first place is worth a penalty in itself.

[Bornadog]

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Essendon don't know themselves what their players have taken.

Do you believe that, because I don't.

[Ghost Dog]

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I'm not entirely convinced of that. There's a lot to be played out in this.

ASADA will have its work cut out to prove any illegal doping took place, and while there's been some serious red flags about the conduct of Essendon's sports science staff and the conduct of club management to this point, finding concrete evidence of wrongdoing is going to be difficult.
.

The fact is, players in a national code have been given substances that are not approved for use in Australia. Wether or not they had a doping effect is not the main point. It's very hard to see how they are going to avoid some sort of penalty.

[Bornadog]

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The fact is, players in a national code have been given substances that are not approved for use in Australia. Wether or not they had a doping effect is not the main point. It's very hard to see how they are going to avoid some sort of penalty.

Correct if true. Still has to be proven.

[Remi Moses]

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Do you believe that, because I don't.

So why dob yourself in to ASADA?
Nothing is proven, that's true.
Surely alarm bells must be going off when you report yourself .

[LostDoggy]

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Good points made, but the AFL falling under Wada's doping laws good resources are going to mean little . I found the whole parent teacher talkfest bizarre, as Essendon don't know themselves what their players have taken.

Of course they know. Hard to take a cheat at their word, isn't it?

So why dob yourself in to ASADA?
Nothing is proven, that's true.
Surely alarm bells must be going off when you report yourself .

To try and offset the penalty. “Oh, we came clean, your honour…” Happens every single day in every court in the land — cough up, get a lighter sentence.