List Management 2015

[kruder]

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Good source or just speculation that Hunter not getting a regular game means he is wanting out?

I can't remember the last time Essendon had a small forward. We have many similar types I'd be using him as trade bait for sure.

[1eyedog]

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The problem for Lachie is unless you have super elite skills and pace (Walters, Rioli, Betts, Elliot) or a number of strings to your bow (Robbie Gray) you'll struggle in purely the small forward role. It's partly why Dahl and to a lesser extent Dicko have been moved up the ground (and adapted), and it's why the McGlynn's and Chapman's are currently on the cusp of their respective teams.

Lachie holds very little trade value, even to Essendon, he's not quick and his skill set, while untapped, seems to be lacking.

[Remi Moses]

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Probably Alwyn Davey and Harvey's brother ( remember that little upstart)

[Remi Moses]

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The problem for Lachie is unless you have super elite skills and pace (Walters, Rioli, Betts, Elliot) or a number of strings to your bow (Robbie Gray) you'll struggle in purely the small forward role. It's partly why Dahl and to a lesser extent Dicko have been moved up the ground (and adapted), and it's why the McGlynn's and Chapman's are currently on the cusp of their respective teams.

Lachie holds very little trade value, even to Essendon, he's not quick and his skill set, while untapped, seems to be lacking.

Lachie has to decide whether he wants to be a social butterfly or a dedicated footballer.

[Dry Rot]

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Good source or just speculation that Hunter not getting a regular game means he is wanting out?

Good source.

[1eyedog]

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Lachie has to decide whether he wants to be a social butterfly or a dedicated footballer.

Yes that's the other problem both on and off the field!
+ Lachie needs to be able to learn a different trade than flashy goal kicker. Every other small / medium player in our side can play dual roles. I suspect that's why he's on the outer as well, he lacks flexibility atm.

[comrade]

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HYPOTHETICAL:

If we do trade our first pick, we need to give Dalrymple the opportunity to snare a gun mid with a top 20 pick. Obviously, we'd need to offload some quality to do so.

I don't love the idea, but if we were to bring in Carlisle, is Talia surplus and would he afford us a top 20 pick?

[lemmon]

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Yes that's the other problem both on and off the field!
+ Lachie needs to be able to learn a different trade than flashy goal kicker. Every other small / medium player in our side can play dual roles. I suspect that's why he's on the outer as well, he lacks flexibility atm.

To be fair the guy is right up there with the best runners at the club, harsh to rubber stamp him as a 'flashy goal kicker' when all the talk during pre-season was that he was neck and neck with Boyd in the distance running stakes and he's winning plenty of the footy at VFL level.

[bulldogtragic]

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HYPOTHETICAL:

If we do trade our first pick, we need to give Dalrymple the opportunity to snare a gun mid with a top 20 pick. Obviously, we'd need to offload some quality to do so.

I don't love the idea, but if we were to bring in Carlisle, is Talia surplus and would he afford us a top 20 pick?

I like the creativity used, but I'm not sold on letting Talia go. I like Carlisle, but the idea of Henderson and pick 20 for pick 10 and $500,000 a year. Henderson & Roughy become genuine swing men types. Surely pick 20 (with or without a player) can net us a seriously good mid at the trade table. Plus Minno stays or his AA wage goes at a ruck FA.

Net could be Hendo, Roughy & club/Bevo wanted second ruck, Libba back and pick 20 for a mid. Sure it's not Carlisle on $800,000 but I'm tending towards this assuming the other Talia is ungettable.

[1eyedog]

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To be fair the guy is right up there with the best runners at the club, harsh to rubber stamp him as a 'flashy goal kicker' when all the talk during pre-season was that he was neck and neck with Boyd in the distance running stakes and he's winning plenty of the footy at VFL level.

I'm not sure your post really has any relevance at all to mine, actually I'm pretty certain it doesn't.

I'm not rubber stamping his endurance or his running capacity, I was talking about his lack of pace. Sure he may have other strengths but pace isn't one of them. To be fair to the guy he hasn't even been a flashy goal kicker has he? He's been very underwhelming. I'm happy to rubber stamp him as a player capable of playing deep forward or nowhere atm; however, given his age and potential ceiling I'm also more than willing to retain him so he can develop the ability to play higher up the ground. Maybe he has trade relevance given his age and potential.

It's great that he's winning ball at VFL level but really I was discussing his relevance to the senior team, heck, Andrew Hooper dominated at VFL level.

[mjp]

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Lachie has to decide whether he wants to be a social butterfly or a dedicated footballer.

I don't know anything about that. His on-field behaviours are not great though - it stands out when everyone else is 'all in' and he sticks out a hand at a ground ball rather than putting his head in there. I think Hunter has great natural game-sense and kicks it well but until he learns how to play real 'team' footy - and I couldn't really care how many possessions he gets at Footscray - he shouldn't be picked in the 1's again.

[GVGjr]

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I think we can all see the merit in adding a player like Carlisle to a side like ours but I think there are a few alarm bells we need to consider:

- WADA - Having Crameri already complicates the risk of potentially losing players through a ban or suspension.
- Draft picks - Despite basically getting picks 1 and 4 in the 2013 draft can we really afford to go a 2nd year without a first round pick in a side that is trying to build the list?
- Attitude - I'm concerned when players want to leave a club because they feel they are being played out of position particularly when they have been so whiny about it. If the coach demands versatility from the players can Carlisle adjust?


I could probably list 2 or 3 more reasons for concern but while adding Carlisle to the team seems to make sense particularly freeing up Roughead it just has a level of risk that doesn't excite me at the moment.

[1eyedog]

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I think we can all see the merit in adding a player like Carlisle to a side like ours but I think there are a few alarm bells we need to consider:

- WADA - Having Crameri already complicates the risk of potentially losing players through a ban or suspension.
- Draft picks - Despite basically getting picks 1 and 4 in the 2013 draft can we really afford to go a 2nd year without a first round pick in a side that is trying to build the list?
- Attitude - I'm concerned when players want to leave a club because they feel they are being played out of position particularly when they have been so whiny about it. If the coach demands versatility from the players can Carlisle adjust?


I could probably list 2 or 3 more reasons for concern but while adding Carlisle to the team seems to make sense particularly freeing up Roughead it just has a level of risk that doesn't excite me at the moment.

Agree with all of that. The other thing that concerns me is whether we'll shoot ourselves in the foot with Carlisle acquisition. I thought Talia was tracking well and so is Roberts and now Hamling. They're all young, have shown ability and have been very solid in their roles. If Carlisle comes in and wants to play back I reckon we may lose one of them. While this would have been fine 6 months ago, given their current trajectory I worry that we may lose something good and something that's worth keeping.

[comrade]

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I think we can all see the merit in adding a player like Carlisle to a side like ours but I think there are a few alarm bells we need to consider:

- WADA - Having Crameri already complicates the risk of potentially losing players through a ban or suspension.
- Draft picks - Despite basically getting picks 1 and 4 in the 2013 draft can we really afford to go a 2nd year without a first round pick in a side that is trying to build the list?
- Attitude - I'm concerned when players want to leave a club because they feel they are being played out of position particularly when they have been so whiny about it. If the coach demands versatility from the players can Carlisle adjust?


I could probably list 2 or 3 more reasons for concern but while adding Carlisle to the team seems to make sense particularly freeing up Roughead it just has a level of risk that doesn't excite me at the moment.

If we bring in a player via trading our first, we MUST get back on the board within the top 20 picks.

[Dry Rot]

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- Attitude - I'm concerned when players want to leave a club because they feel they are being played out of position particularly when they have been so whiny about it. If the coach demands versatility from the players can Carlisle adjust?

Yeah, that worries me too.