List Management 2015

[Rocco Jones]

Re: List Management 2015

The players from the primary list under the microscope might include Fuller, Darley, Prudden, Redpath and Cordy with M.Boyd and Morris the hardest calls.

As I mentioned earlier, I think Fuller and Darley are both in the delisted basket at the moment. On the others you have mentioned.
Redpath- I think he is has improved slowly every season he has been on our list. Big latter half of the year but he stays on for mine due to continual improvement + need for his type.
Prudden- He has had his best season so far and I think he has tools that give him a chance. Definitely think he needs to give a shot at AFL before being delisted either way. I'd keep him, another point is our two obvious players to go are HBFs.
A.Cordy/Campbell/Minson- I think I would let go of one of them. We won't get anything for Minson trade wise you'd think in current climate. I just don't see Campbell making it. Immobile around the ground and really isn't ultra dominate in ruck to make up for it type. Ayce looks as far off AFL level as it gets in the ruck. Perhaps 2nd ruck role? I think that eventually free agency/exploiting a sides ruck depth = lack of opportunities for target is our best avenue.
M.Boyd- Has had a couple of injuries but has to be in our top few players for the season. If he wants to stay on, no doubt we should given him a spot.
Morris- Big latter half. Sentiment can be logical too sometimes. Giving him another year if he really wants it and is anything near 50/50 anyway can be great for list, showing loyalty goes both ways.

[Remi Moses]

Re: List Management 2015

As I mentioned earlier, I think Fuller and Darley are both in the delisted basket at the moment. On the others you have mentioned.
Redpath- I think he is has improved slowly every season he has been on our list. Big latter half of the year but he stays on for mine due to continual improvement + need for his type.
Prudden- He has had his best season so far and I think he has tools that give him a chance. Definitely think he needs to give a shot at AFL before being delisted either way. I'd keep him, another point is our two obvious players to go are HBFs.
A.Cordy/Campbell/Minson- I think I would let go of one of them. We won't get anything for Minson trade wise you'd think in current climate. I just don't see Campbell making it. Immobile around the ground and really isn't ultra dominate in ruck to make up for it type. Ayce looks as far off AFL level as it gets in the ruck. Perhaps 2nd ruck role? I think that eventually free agency/exploiting a sides ruck depth = lack of opportunities for target is our best avenue.
M.Boyd- Has had a couple of injuries but has to be in our top few players for the season. If he wants to stay on, no doubt we should given him a spot.
Morris- Big latter half. Sentiment can be logical too sometimes. Giving him another year if he really wants it and is anything near 50/50 anyway can be great for list, showing loyalty goes both ways.

Not sure about big Jack's improvement ( he's stagnated)
Darley and Fuller are in trouble, and I think prudden's injuries will save him.
Cordy's in trouble, and I think Dale and M Boyd may retire
Minson also may be traded.
We'll be looking for a key back, a ruck and another mid in draft trade F/A period

[bulldogtragic]

Re: List Management 2015

As I mentioned earlier, I think Fuller and Darley are both in the delisted basket at the moment. On the others you have mentioned.
Redpath- I think he is has improved slowly every season he has been on our list. Big latter half of the year but he stays on for mine due to continual improvement + need for his type.
Prudden- He has had his best season so far and I think he has tools that give him a chance. Definitely think he needs to give a shot at AFL before being delisted either way. I'd keep him, another point is our two obvious players to go are HBFs.
A.Cordy/Campbell/Minson- I think I would let go of one of them. We won't get anything for Minson trade wise you'd think in current climate. I just don't see Campbell making it. Immobile around the ground and really isn't ultra dominate in ruck to make up for it type. Ayce looks as far off AFL level as it gets in the ruck. Perhaps 2nd ruck role? I think that eventually free agency/exploiting a sides ruck depth = lack of opportunities for target is our best avenue.
M.Boyd- Has had a couple of injuries but has to be in our top few players for the season. If he wants to stay on, no doubt we should given him a spot.
Morris- Big latter half. Sentiment can be logical too sometimes. Giving him another year if he really wants it and is anything near 50/50 anyway can be great for list, showing loyalty goes both ways.

There may be players wanting out too. Hunter may seek a fresh start for instance. If Minson doesn't get game guarantees he may ask for a trade.

[boydogs]

Re: List Management 2015

It's plausible, though I think next year will see us go with Roughead, Cordy and Campbell, with Boyd helping out on game day. It will be interesting to see who comes onto the market deemed as good or better than those three. What we do will largely depend on whether Campbell can earn a call up and demonstrate he can play at the top level this year, and while I think he should definitely be given a go I'm 50/50 on whether he'll take the next step.

That's way too light on IMO. Cordy & Campbell are closer to delisting than making the grade at this point. Roughead needs to be free to be a swingman, not ruck 90% of games week in and week out. If his shoulder goes again we're screwed

[Twodogs]

Re: List Management 2015

There may be players wanting out too. Hunter may seek a fresh start for instance. If Minson doesn't get game guarantees he may ask for a trade.

Talia if he stays in the twos. Although he'd want to play much better footy.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: List Management 2015

Talia if he stays in the twos. Although he'd want to play much better footy.

Absolutely TD. Personally I think we might see two ask for a trade at years end.

[Doc26]

Re: List Management 2015

Talia if he stays in the twos. Although he'd want to play much better footy.

He's not a happy camper at present.

[josie]

Re: List Management 2015

I think we need to see Dale Morris perform over the next 10 weeks before we make a decision.

By the sounds of it, Boyd is still keen on retirement, hopefully we can convince him to go around again.

On radio interview (I think it was 3AW) tonight Boyd sounded very much like he'd like to play next year if his form is still good and if he is not holding back younger players who are ready. Agree with your thoughts on Morris.

[Bornadog]

Re: List Management 2015

He's not a happy camper at present.

Any reason?

[G-Mo77]

Re: List Management 2015

Any reason?

Probably because he's not getting a game.

He was stiff to lose his spot but he's got to put the work back in to win it back. I'd love him to stay personally.

[comrade]

Re: List Management 2015

How can you squeeze either Roberts or Hamling out, though?

Both were good again tonight.

[Twodogs]

Re: List Management 2015

Absolutely TD. Personally I think we might see two ask for a trade at years end.

He's not a happy camper at present.

Any reason?

Probably because he's not getting a game.

He was stiff to lose his spot but he's got to put the work back in to win it back. I'd love him to stay personally.

If Hamling and Roberts continue their form from tonight his spot may be gone. I hope he plays Peter Knights today for Footscray though.

[Webby]

Re: List Management 2015

I was so keen for Talia to show something this year. For the first 6 rounds I was rapt with him. Roberts was the other one I had earmarked for big things. Mainly because the club really needed some tall defenders to stand up, but also because I could see some real ability in them. Probably most so in Talia.

I watch most senior and reserves games. I don't claim to be any expert on Aussie Rules footy. The game has gone past me from a tactical/strategic viewpoint. On that front I'm playing catch up. Probably like most punters. However I still back myself to spot individual players - probably like most supporters.

I've been calling out for Talia and Roberts to urgently reach their potential since last year. Roberts was hindered by a shoulder reco, whilst Talia got the jump into this year. He more than anyone seemed to have worked on his positional play, his engine, his closing speed and also on playing within his limitations. He's not clean in his handling and he's not all that good by foot. Nor is he great on the rebound. Turning defence into attack. However he is okay at minding a key forward when he's switched on. All that is okay, however. He played simple 101 defensive footy, gave the ball to Bob etc. All good.

However, I'm now concerned about his apparent tendency to sook up. To get down on things. Whether that's down on himself or the club. He seems the brooding type. Perhaps a deep thinker, or perhaps just a malingerer. Either way, it's a worry.

Hamling (also limited by foot) has clearly leapfrogged him. That's purely on effort and application. Hamling has a fraction of Talia's upside, but the bloke might also have a fraction of the sense of entitlement. For me, I'm concerned about Talia's tendency to think that it's going to just happen for him. He is a bulky kid with a lot of ability, but also poor disposal and closing speed. He needs to work on those two aspects of his game - constantly.

If you speak to most champions, they'll tell you that there were two to three key aspects of their game that they had to pay more attention to than others. No one is perfect and no one has a divine right to being brilliant at what they do. It worries me that Talia feels that kind of entitlement. Because he's not that good. No one is.

Like Liam Jones, he can kid himself that a change of club will magically cure him. Or, he can wise up, knuckle down, recognise where he needs to work and focus one training session and quarter of footy at a time and work on what he needs to do to make it as an AFL player.

Like Steve Waugh, he's probably only the second most talented player in his family. However, hopefully he realises that talent is only 30% of the formula. Change your attitude now, kid. The Dogs are headed for September and there's still time to turn it around and be a very, very important part of it... Or you could just meander along, convince yourself that the grass is greener on the other side, and join Liam Jones in country footy in 2-3 years time..

[comrade]

Re: List Management 2015

If you believe the whispers, Hunter is another one unhappy he's not playing ones. Clearly he hasn't watched his game footage from the Demons match.

Any coincidence that both players have strong, family ties to the club?

[jeemak]

Re: List Management 2015

He's not a happy camper at present.

Probably because he's not getting a game.

He was stiff to lose his spot but he's got to put the work back in to win it back. I'd love him to stay personally.

If Hamling and Roberts continue their form from tonight his spot may be gone. I hope he plays Peter Knights today for Footscray though.

Talia spoke in an interview at the pointy end of preseason about how he clearly thought he was good enough to play top level and how a fresher approach towards him would help him.

I got the distinct impression he thought he was ahead of his treatment.

Now he's living the exact situation he was after ample opportunity, perhaps he's gotten ahead of himself and has trouble with that.