The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 44396

    Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

    Originally posted by chef
    He made the hard decision last season with a guy he played all year.
    I don't think that was a hard call despite the games he played. 2nd year in and some things have happened to 'galvanise' the coach with players.
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    • chef
      Hall of Fame
      • Nov 2008
      • 14588

      Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

      Originally posted by GVGjr
      I don't think that was a hard call despite the games he played. 2nd year in and some things have happened to 'galvanise' the coach with players.
      I guess he's going to want to hang onto the guys who he thinks are useful to him, I don't have to much of a problem with that.
      The curse is dead.

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      • FrediKanoute
        Coaching Staff
        • Aug 2007
        • 3815

        Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

        For mine it goes like:

        Out

        Minson
        Honeychurch

        Rookie outs

        Adcock
        Goetz

        Prudden & Hamilton on the rookie list, this gives us 4 main list spots.

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34316

          Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

          Originally posted by FrediKanoute
          For mine it goes like:

          Out

          Minson
          Honeychurch

          Rookie outs

          Adcock
          Goetz

          Prudden & Hamilton on the rookie list, this gives us 4 main list spots.
          Hamilton got a contract yesterday.
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          • Cyberdoggie
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 2859

            Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

            Looks like we might struggle to cover the bare min changes, unless we trade some players of value.

            With Hamilton signing is it now more likely that Jong is leaving? perhaps HC and the rat on the market as well?

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 66272

              Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

              My new list is:

              * Minson
              * Stevens (Trade)
              * Prudden - Rookie list

              I doubt we will make any more changes unless we trade out HC and Hrovat or even Jong for a Hurley or other player.
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              • soupman
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Nov 2007
                • 5094

                Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                Considering we need to have 3 draftees and are planning on recruiting Hurley we will need to cut at least 4 from the list.

                On top of this we have shown interest in an experienced ruckman in Vardy/Nicholls, and have also raised the possibility of targeting a readymade key forward to help ease the burden here especially in Redpaths absence. This means I think all the uncontracted players are good chances to be moved on.

                Minson and Prudden are surely certainties (although I would have written Hamilton here yesterday so who knows).

                Honeychurch seems excess to requirements despite excellent VFL form so I can't see him staying.

                Should we recruit Hurley we surely get rid of at least one of the 6 key defenders on the list, despite them all having shown something at AFL level. I would imagine Morris, Adams, Collins and Cordy are the definitely safe ones, with Hamling and Roberts both to be offered around to the highest bidder.

                I can't see us keeping both Stevens and Jong when you consider both could be surplus with a fully fit squad. Jong has apparently been offered a 2 year contract but seeing as he is yet to accept it is probably not a very good one, so either we aren't very keen to keep him or he is getting a better offer elsewhere (GC probably) so I would imagine he is likely gone.

                Stevens not signing either doesn't bode well for his retention especially amid faint rumours that other clubs have put offers to him.

                Matt Boyd is surely staying on, he has been excellent this year and I don' see how they can sign Murphy up for another year after doing his knee and then turn around and tell Matt Boyd they don't have faith in him being good enough after a probable top 5 B&F finish with no signs he is slowing.

                Hrovat probably stays, his scope for improvement far outweighs what his market value is considering his injuries.

                Campbell is someone who may hold some value for another club and may be expendable for us if we snag one or two ready to go rucks. Although losing 2 of the 3 ruckmen we have in our weak ruck department wouldn't be ideal.

                For the rookies I think they all stay on another year. Smith and Lynch are both very promising but until they become viable best 25 players they shouldn't be upgraded. I'm not a huge fan of Adcock but he seems popular with the playing group and the coaches and fits the criteria of versatile stop gap pretty well.

                It'll be an interesting off season though and I wouldn't be completely surprised to see someone of higher profile like Hunter in talks.
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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34316

                  Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                  Good post soup. With Hurley & a free agent possibly, then we need to make 5 I agree. I'm not to phased that 2 or the 3 picks are around 60-70. Simply if we rate Roarke & Lynch, we can use their upgrades if we don't like the talent enough for main list spots and then go about rebuilding the rookie list almost all together. Also, I'm not sure where Romero fits in our plans but if he's relatively low then we can use a low pick or rookie list him.

                  Honeychurch, Stevens, Hamling &/or Jong should net us some decent trade value. Brisbane & GCS for instance need players, not just picks of which they'll have a heap of. Some straight player swaps directly or in three-way trades would be ideal. GCS for instance might not even use their picks in the late 30's and 40's with their war chest of draft picks, so as I've said in other threads, GCS are the guys to be trading with this year to make things happen. You can mount a case for all 4 going to GCS particularly if they lose Prestia &/or Jaeger as it seems they will and have a skinny lack of contested ball winning midfield.

                  A very good trading season this year may just be the final piece of the puzzle.
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                  • Bulldog4life
                    WOOF Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 9607

                    Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                    Honeychurch is contracted for the 2017 season so if he doesn't want to leave he aint going anywhere.

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                    • soupman
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 5094

                      Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                      Originally posted by Bulldog4life
                      Honeychurch is contracted for the 2017 season so if he doesn't want to leave he aint going anywhere.
                      Surely if any other club is interested though he'd have to seriously consider it.

                      Apart from intensity he doesn't offer anything that Webb, Hrovat, Daniel and Dale offer who are all in similar spots, and another year being selected despite good form in the reserves could really hurt his career.

                      He would be getting a regular game at many clubs and would be very much a Richmond type of recruit (who there were rumours of interest from earlier this season).

                      I like him but we don't need him and surely he realises that. If there is an opportunity elsewhere he should take it.
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                      • Bulldog4life
                        WOOF Member
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 9607

                        Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                        Originally posted by soupaman
                        Surely if any other club is interested though he'd have to seriously consider it.

                        Apart from intensity he doesn't offer anything that Webb, Hrovat, Daniel and Dale offer who are all in similar spots, and another year being selected despite good form in the reserves could really hurt his career.

                        He would be getting a regular game at many clubs and would be very much a Richmond type of recruit (who there were rumours of interest from earlier this season).

                        I like him but we don't need him and surely he realises that. If there is an opportunity elsewhere he should take it.
                        Agree with what you say Soup but Honey's decision is up to himself unlike an unlisted player where the Club is in more control on what happens to that player .

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                        • Axe Man
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 11052

                          Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                          Just FYI for list management discussions, I believe the following players are out of contract at the end of this season:

                          Primary List
                          Matthew Boyd
                          Josh Prudden
                          Joel Hamling
                          Lin Jong
                          Clay Smith
                          Will Minson
                          Koby Stevens
                          Nathan Hrovat
                          Tom Campbell

                          Rookies
                          Jed Adcock
                          Brad Lynch
                          Roarke Smith

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                          • Bulldog Joe
                            Premiership Moderator
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 5518

                            Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                            Interstate rookies have (I believe) a 2 year contract from drafting, so that would leave Brad Lynch contracted.
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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34316

                              Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                              I'm guessing Monty has the Brisbane job, maybe even GCS. I wonder if his opinions on guys like Stevens, Jong, Honey etc mean a good trading relationship this year? I hope so.
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                              • bulldogtragic
                                The List Manager
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 34316

                                Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                                Originally posted by Axe Man
                                Just FYI for list management discussions, I believe the following players are out of contract at the end of this season:

                                Primary List
                                Matthew Boyd
                                Josh Prudden
                                Joel Hamling
                                Lin Jong
                                Clay Smith
                                Will Minson
                                Koby Stevens
                                Nathan Hrovat
                                Tom Campbell

                                Rookies
                                Jed Adcock
                                Brad Lynch
                                Roarke Smith
                                Hrovat & Campbell are my only real priorities at this stage. Lynch & Roarke will be around, but decision around the draft strategy time I'd say.
                                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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