Who would you have JMac target this year?

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Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

I don't know exactly what went on behind the scenes this season but our culture has come into question a lot. Maybe some of the "boys" getting sent to another club wouldn't hurt overall.

I was thinking something similar. It might not have been a hangover after all this year. It might be some good footballer/s ripping the fabric of the culture Bevo has been creating. If some go, as you say, it might not be a bad thing overall.

[Sedat]

Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

Thanks Doc, if we assume that Smith gets an upgrade and we keep players with contracts then it's just two picks in what I feel is a reasonably strong draft. We have once again showed faith in a list that seriously under performed and I don't believe that is the right approach.

Assuming our interest in Impey and Crozier is around the mark and Trengove is locked in it means we probably have to cough up picks 26 and 39 to acquire them leaving us pick 9 and something much later on in the draft for our two selections.

J-Mac needs to get to work and open up some more spots for us.





If we have the salary cap room then I'd be prepared to break a contract .

I'm a little torn on our approach and can see positives and negatives in both. Richmond won a flag off the back of really astute trading - no superstars but fantastic role players who released other players to be so much more damaging. So I like the idea of picking up good AFL players like Trengove, Crozier and Impey, all of whom can play roles to release our other players to be more damaging elsewhere. But I also want to plunder the draft and turn over the list because we still need to keep bringing in young talent - premiership teams have superstars that are home grown and not big name trades (Dangerfield, Buddy, Tippett, Deledio, Griffen, etc..)

Happy to name names in relation to who I'd consider trading right now, even if they are under contract - Campbell, Clay Smith, Dickson, Redders, Roberts. That's too many obviously but we'd be derelict in our duty not to at least explore getting a stronger draft position either this year or for future picks next year.

[Twodogs]

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I think you need to be really careful about scenarios where popular clubmen are discarded under contract. Think it could be really detrimental to the culture.

Indeed. It's a legal and ethical minefield too.

I'm reading The Hafey Years ATM. It's an interesting book Because despite the name it is mainly about Graeme Richmond (obviously calling the Richmond years would been silly ) . He cleared Brian Roberts to South Melbourne to get John Pitura (along with Graham Teasdale who won a Brownlow medal and Francis Jackson one of the original quarter back types in the AFL) but a lot of the Richmond playing group said that Roberts departure tore a lot of the fabric out of the culture of the club. They talk about how he wasn't the greatest player but he was a champion teammate.

[GVGjr]

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I'm a little torn on our approach and can see positives and negatives in both. Richmond won a flag off the back of really astute trading - no superstars but fantastic role players who released other players to be so much more damaging. So I like the idea of picking up good AFL players like Trengove, Crozier and Impey, all of whom can play roles to release our other players to be more damaging elsewhere. But I also want to plunder the draft and turn over the list because we still need to keep bringing in young talent - premiership teams have superstars that are home grown and not big name trades (Dangerfield, Buddy, Tippett, Deledio, Griffen, etc..)

Happy to name names in relation to who I'd consider trading right now, even if they are under contract - Campbell, Clay Smith, Dickson, Redders, Roberts. That's too many obviously but we'd be derelict in our duty not to at least explore getting a stronger draft position either this year or for future picks next year.

You have named most of the players I would consider to open up spots if they don't display the right approach. If anyone comes back from the break in a less than acceptable condition or doesn't display the right attitude then we have to set a very high standard. Sometimes sending a message to the group that the party is over needs to be done.

We do need to turn the list over and I think we need 5 picks at draft but I could settle for 4.

[Twodogs]

Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

I'm a little torn on our approach and can see positives and negatives in both. Richmond won a flag off the back of really astute trading - no superstars but fantastic role players who released other players to be so much more damaging. So I like the idea of picking up good AFL players like Trengove, Crozier and Impey, all of whom can play roles to release our other players to be more damaging elsewhere. But I also want to plunder the draft and turn over the list because we still need to keep bringing in young talent - premiership teams have superstars that are home grown and not big name trades (Dangerfield, Buddy, Tippett, Deledio, Griffen, etc..)

Happy to name names in relation to who I'd consider trading right now, even if they are under contract - Campbell, Clay Smith, Dickson, Redders, Roberts. That's too many obviously but we'd be derelict in our duty not to at least explore getting a stronger draft position either this year or for future picks next year.

You have named most of the players I would consider to open up spots if they don't display the right approach. If anyone comes back from the break in a less than acceptable condition or doesn't display the right attitude then we have to set a very high standard. Sometimes sending a message to the group that the party is over needs to be done.

We do need to turn the list over and I think we need 5 picks at draft but I could settle for 4.

What type of player would you bring in? I'm giving you 5 spots. I have tapped Campbell, Crameri, Redpath, Roberts and Webb on the shoulder and they are gone. If you can good deal for the club and need the spots or if you think we need to keep one of the above then I can call Clay Smith, Dickson and Suckling into my office and explain they now have a new opportunity in life. So that's 8 if you really need them.

[Bornadog]

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I am happy to go to the draft and pick 3 draftees and trade for three good players. I don't believe we need a massive turnover of players.

[GVGjr]

Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

I am happy to go to the draft and pick 3 draftees and trade for three good players. I don't believe we need a massive turnover of players.

What are you basing this approach off? Surely not the 2017 season?

[Remi Moses]

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Gotta say not sold on 5 picks in a weak draft . I'd be surprised, no shocked, if players came back to pre-season training with a poor attitude . Clarkson was on record saying he didn't make enough list changes ( initially) after 08, as teams flew past them .

[Remi Moses]

Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

I am happy to go to the draft and pick 3 draftees and trade for three good players. I don't believe we need a massive turnover of players.

I'm hoping we make a few more changes than that

[DOG GOD]

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Gone: murphy, Boyd, Crameri, stringer, honeychurch, Hamilton, Roberts/c.smith (7)

In: Trengove, crozier, Impey (3)

Unfortunately R. Smith to be delisted for mine.

4 picks in the draft.

[GVGjr]

Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

What type of player would you bring in? I'm giving you 5 spots. I have tapped Campbell, Crameri, Redpath, Roberts and Webb on the shoulder and they are gone. If you can good deal for the club and need the spots or if you think we need to keep one of the above then I can call Clay Smith, Dickson and Suckling into my office and explain they now have a new opportunity in life. So that's 8 if you really need them.

The type of players are easy, competitive and hungry types that want to succeed.
Balancing that out is the difficult part.

We would need a ruckman type if Campbell was to depart.

Remember in 12 months time we will be looking to potentially add a father son pick and maybe an academy player. This is why I think we need to have a few more changes this year.

[GVGjr]

Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

Gotta say not sold on 5 picks in a weak draft . I'd be surprised, no shocked, if players came back to pre-season training with a poor attitude . Clarkson was on record saying he didn't make enough list changes ( initially) after 08, as teams flew past them .

Why do you regard it as weak draft?

[GVGjr]

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Gone: murphy, Boyd, Crameri, stringer, honeychurch, Hamilton, Roberts/c.smith (7)

In: Trengove, crozier, Impey (3)

Unfortunately R. Smith to be delisted for mine.

4 picks in the draft.

Thats a reasonable approach

[Twodogs]

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Why do you regard it as weak draft?

Most of the early guff was this draft had five or maybe six stand out candidates and then it fell away or evened out depending on the article. That narrative has changed since the championships (as it usually does, I don't know why we try and judge the strength of the draft in May. It's like rolling out the Christmas decorations in September.) but maybe Remi was going by the early reviews.

[Topdog]

Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

The type of players are easy, competitive and hungry types that want to succeed.
Balancing that out is the difficult part.

We would need a ruckman type if Campbell was to depart.

Remember in 12 months time we will be looking to potentially add a father son pick and maybe an academy player. This is why I think we need to have a few more changes this year.

Sorry I'm confused why we need to turn the list over more this year because we have 2 players coming in next year that we know already. They are still 2 draft picks, doesn't matter that they are f/s