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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 44198

    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

    Originally posted by Topdog
    Bring in 3 players by trade and free agency along with 2 live picks is still a turnover of at least 5 players. How many new players are needed to refresh the list in your opinion?
    That's a different question to what I posed, I'm saying if we only take 2 live picks into the draft should we trade pick 9 to get the best possible player with senior experience rather than drafting the best youngster available?

    We have delisted/retired 3 players. Murphy, MBoyd and Hamilton.
    We have 2 players in limbo in Honeychurch and Crameri but are most likely gone and we are somewhat confident that Trengove is heading our way. On top of that R.Smith seems like an upgrade to a senior spot. That leaves us with 4 live picks, 3 if we upgrade Smith and 2 if we trade for another player.

    Now if we trade Stinger that changes it slightly.

    So my question is should we trade pick 9 for an established player or use it as one of the 3 live picks?
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    • bulldogtragic
      The List Manager
      • Jan 2007
      • 34316

      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

      Originally posted by GVGjr
      That's a different question to what I posed, I'm saying if we only take 2 live picks into the draft should we trade pick 9 to get the best possible player with senior experience rather than drafting the best youngster available?

      We have delisted/retired 3 players. Murphy, MBoyd and Hamilton.
      We have 2 players in limbo in Honeychurch and Crameri but are most likely gone and we are somewhat confident that Trengove is heading our way. On top of that R.Smith seems like an upgrade to a senior spot. That leaves us with 4 live picks, 3 if we upgrade Smith and 2 if we trade for another player.

      Now if we trade Stinger that changes it slightly.

      So my question is should we trade pick 9 for an established player or use it as one of the 2 live picks?
      I'm open to trading any pick for the right player. I'm open to trading any player for the right pick. But who seems gettable with pick 9 that may be on the market and who would pick us over other clubs?
      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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      • GVGjr
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 44198

        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
        I'm open to trading any pick for the right player. I'm open to trading any player for the right pick. But who seems gettable with pick 9 that may be on the market and who would pick us over other clubs?
        I listed Gaff, mentioned Saad and others will no doubt appear once it all heats up.
        Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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        • Go_Dogs
          Hall of Fame
          • Jan 2007
          • 10103

          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

          Originally posted by GVGjr
          That's a different question to what I posed, I'm saying if we only take 2 live picks into the draft should we trade pick 9 to get the best possible player with senior experience rather than drafting the best youngster available?

          We have delisted/retired 3 players. Murphy, MBoyd and Hamilton.
          We have 2 players in limbo in Honeychurch and Crameri but are most likely gone and we are somewhat confident that Trengove is heading our way. On top of that R.Smith seems like an upgrade to a senior spot. That leaves us with 4 live picks, 3 if we upgrade Smith and 2 if we trade for another player.

          Now if we trade Stinger that changes it slightly.

          So my question is should we trade pick 9 for an established player or use it as one of the 3 live picks?
          My preference would be to keep the top 10 pick.

          It's 4 drafts ago we last used a pick earlier than 19 and with the players on offer, it's a good year to go the draft and try to add another high quality youngster, potentially 2 if Stringer leaves.
          Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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          • bulldogtragic
            The List Manager
            • Jan 2007
            • 34316

            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

            Originally posted by GVGjr
            I listed Gaff, mentioned Saad and others will no doubt appear once it all heats up.
            What pick would you want back to even out a top 10 pick trade?
            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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            • GVGjr
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 44198

              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

              Originally posted by bulldogtragic
              What pick would you want back to even out a top 10 pick trade?
              Doesn't it depend on the player? It's the concept of trading for an established player or taking the best player at the draft with pick 9 I'm asking about
              Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34316

                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                Originally posted by GVGjr
                Doesn't it depend on the player? It's the concept of trading for an established player or taking the best player at the draft with pick 9 I'm asking about
                For the right player, for a good trade, we should be looking at any option that improves our list. Pick 9 is great, but it's not a dead certainty. If pick 9 can land us a very good proven player, that's a good option too. It's all in detail, but as concept, sure.
                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                • ratsmac
                  Coaching Staff
                  • May 2009
                  • 3974

                  Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                  I'd still be chasing Lever. The whisper is that negotiations with Melbourne are breaking down and Collingwood are ready to pounce. If we put our first and what ever we get for Stringer will satisfy Adelaide. I'd be asking for a pick in return though.
                  They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works every time!
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                  • jazzadogs
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5560

                    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                    I'd happily give up pick 9 for Gaff - a 25 year old elite outside ball winner and runner with good foot skills. 156 games, #4 in the 2010 draft. We have the inside grunt more or less covered, I'd be very happy to add him on the outside.

                    2017 stats
                    6th most disposals in the comp (ave 29.7)
                    Disposal efficiency 74% (4th most efficient disposals in the comp)
                    Averages over 400m gained per game
                    Stoppage clearances 1.8 per game
                    Tackle numbers are poor (ave 2.0 per game)

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                    • 1eyedog
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 13180

                      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                      Originally posted by jazzadogs
                      I'd happily give up pick 9 for Gaff - a 25 year old elite outside ball winner and runner with good foot skills. 156 games, #4 in the 2010 draft. We have the inside grunt more or less covered, I'd be very happy to add him on the outside.

                      2017 stats
                      6th most disposals in the comp (ave 29.7)
                      Disposal efficiency 74% (4th most efficient disposals in the comp)
                      Averages over 400m gained per game
                      Stoppage clearances 1.8 per game
                      Tackle numbers are poor (ave 2.0 per game)
                      Yep he's who I'd go after hard as well.
                      But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                      • Twodogs
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 27654

                        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                        Yep I'm in for Gaff. We really need a better transition plan "get the ball to JJ" "get it to Gaff" would make us twice as dangerous.
                        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                        • Bullies
                          Senior Player
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 1807

                          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                          Originally posted by Twodogs
                          Yep I'm in for Gaff. We really need a better transition plan "get the ball to JJ" "get it to Gaff" would make us twice as dangerous.
                          Agree that we try to get Gaff. We have enough in and unders but need some polish and this guy is an elite outsider.

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                          • GVGjr
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 44198

                            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                            Originally posted by Bullies
                            Agree that we try to get Gaff. We have enough in and unders but need some polish and this guy is an elite outsider.
                            I wonder if he is actually available? We will probably be aggressive in our trading approach but West Coast would need to be fully compensated and he wouldn't come cheap.
                            Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                            • GVGjr
                              Moderator
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 44198

                              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                              Given the way the role of the 2nd ruckman works now should we run the ruler over Jack Watts again? Between he and Boyd we could cover and support required for Roughead. It could also mean that we could go in with a smaller forward set-up
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                              • jeemak
                                Bulldog Legend
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 21547

                                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                                Originally posted by GVGjr
                                Given the way the role of the 2nd ruckman works now should we run the ruler over Jack Watts again? Between he and Boyd we could cover and support required for Roughead. It could also mean that we could go in with a smaller forward set-up
                                It's interesting that everyone's rubbing Hardwick's tummy for employing the ruck tactic we did out of necessity earlier in the year, throughout the finals series. Essentially, like us, Hardwick has since stated he'd prefer to have a competent second tall forward who can play in the ruck to act as second to Nankervis.

                                To avoid having to get too funky with our ruck again next year we really need to have both Boyd and Roughead fit, and if we are able to secure Trengove then we wouldn't really need Watts to play any time in the ruck under normal circumstances.

                                Having said that, I'd be looking at Watts for some outside polish and finishing skills which we sorely need.
                                TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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