Always Right Match Committee R6 vs St Kilda 2025

[JanLorMill]

Dolan was pretty good yesterday, did his job.
We have to wear him getting a little tired and maybe not impact as much with defensive running late in the game, and Im okay with that.

If you doing his is job is to get only 5 kicks and get brushed aside consistently.
Maybe we can afford one ‘doing their job’ against most sides, we had 3 or 4 against the premiers.

[bulldogSimmo]

Yes I can see how Dolan is developing nicely and there is a good footballer there. But the simple fact is we are having to play too many at the moment who aren't quite ready due to injuries. It is too much to carry 4 or so each week against the top teams

[Rusty12]

If you doing his is job is to get only 5 kicks and get brushed aside consistently.
Maybe we can afford one ‘doing their job’ against most sides, we had 3 or 4 against the premiers.

So a players contribution is based, just on their kicks?
He is literally the 23rd man, what is your expectation of that pick?
11 touches, 4 of which impacted the scoreboard, and kicked 1.1.
Ran until he couldn't any longer.
Laid 3 effective tackles.
Not good enough for you?

[JanLorMill]

So a players contribution is based, just on their kicks?
He is literally the 23rd man, what is your expectation of that pick?
11 touches, 4 of which impacted the scoreboard, and kicked 1.1.
Ran until he couldn't any longer.
Laid 3 effective tackles.
Not good enough for you?

Where did I say kicks is the only factor? Not sure where you got 3 ‘effective’ tackles from when the afl stats only 2 tackles.
It’s the Fifth game now where he has had little to no influence, that’s ok as he is learning the game. Saying you can’t have so many the learning the game and little influence.
If the pass mark individually is doing your job , no wonder we lost.
Don’t want to drop him then drop Hynes otherwise we might as use this season as a development one.

[jeemak]

Where did I say kicks is the only factor? Not sure where you got 3 ‘effective’ tackles from when the afl stats only 2 tackles.
It’s the Fifth game now where he has had little to no influence, that’s ok as he is learning the game. Saying you can’t have so many the learning the game and little influence.
If the pass mark individually is doing your job , no wonder we lost.
Don’t want to drop him then drop Hynes otherwise we might as use this season as a development one.

If the quality isn't there, it isn't there. Those in the side can play to the best of their ability, but if they ain't good enough they ain't good enough!

Here's a comparison with Arty Jones at career level (not saying you were comparing the two):

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=8&playerStatus2=A&tid2=8&type=A&pid1=7288&pid2=6985&fid1=C&fid2=C

Jones probably has the bigger tank and can put defensive pressure on (and has better disposal efficiency, mind), but that's over 16 games and a few years in the system vs. 5 games for Dolan in his first year. Dolan's just had his best game, tough to drop him, and if we do, not sure of what exponential improvement we'd have been looking for in five games.

[Pleather Sole]

I’m all promoting youngsters but I like winning to. It’s like playing with 17 atm with 2 it’s 16.

Disagree. If Bont is back we its like we have 19 players. Hynes can start on the bench or at the least sub. Hard not to be overawed by the experience. Fresh players need conditioning and that includes the nervous system most critically. He'll be up a level this week if given the chance.

[Rusty12]

Where did I say kicks is the only factor? Not sure where you got 3 ‘effective’ tackles from when the afl stats only 2 tackles.
It’s the Fifth game now where he has had little to no influence, that’s ok as he is learning the game. Saying you can’t have so many the learning the game and little influence.
If the pass mark individually is doing your job , no wonder we lost.
Don’t want to drop him then drop Hynes otherwise we might as use this season as a development one.

The discussion was about Dolan, in the game Vs Brisbane, not the season, and if he "did his job".
You referenced how many kicks he had, and nothing else.
4 of the 6 least effective players on the ground were Brisbane players, and yet they won. Dolan was not in those 6.
Again, what is your expectation of the 23rd player?

[mjp]

His pressure acts and tackles are way higher than any other forward we regularly play except Cody. If you’re just looking at ‘overall’ it’ll probably say below avg because he’s sub/subbed so much.

He was subbed out vs Collingwood because he either couldn't or wouldn't defend. I'm just not sure how you came to this conclusion.

[Bornadog]

He was subbed out vs Collingwood because he either couldn't or wouldn't defend. I'm just not sure how you came to this conclusion.

A couple of years ago, I said I didn't think he would make it. Then I changed my mind when he had a short run of games, but now I am thinking he just isn't the player we thought he may be. One thing against him, is (and we and you have said it before), he keeps being thrown into roles like small forward which he is not suited to. He is a winger and has rarely played that position at AFL level.

[doggies ftw]

He was subbed out vs Collingwood because he either couldn't or wouldn't defend. I'm just not sure how you came to this conclusion.

He had 3 tackles & 16 PA in his 2 & a bit qtrs. West, Dolan & McNeil had 2 & 17 combined. So I disagree.

I’m surprised people think his defence is an issue, he’s slight but he runs harder than just about any of our smalls defensively. His offence on the other hand… hit and miss to say the least.

[mjp]

He had 3 tackles & 16 PA in his 2 & a bit qtrs. West, Dolan & McNeil had 2 & 17 combined. So I disagree.

I’m surprised people think his defence is an issue, he’s slight but he runs harder than just about any of our smalls defensively. His offence on the other hand… hit and miss to say the least.

I don't want to be a smart arse but tackles and pressure acts are the sign of a player who is second to the ball, not the sign of a player who is a great defender.

He was 100% subbed out because he could not be trusted to provide fatside cover as a winger...you have to work to position and control the exit point and balance that with playing on your man. If 17 pressure acts - which I agree can be a thing but mostly aren't a thing - were important then he wouldn't have been subbed out then dropped. When you couple being poor defensively with being unable to actually get the ball, well, you have a problem.

[jazzadogs]

He had 3 tackles & 16 PA in his 2 & a bit qtrs. West, Dolan & McNeil had 2 & 17 combined. So I disagree.

I’m surprised people think his defence is an issue, he’s slight but he runs harder than just about any of our smalls defensively. His offence on the other hand… hit and miss to say the least.

Did you watch the game, or just relying on stats?
He was horrible in that game, playing as a wing. Frequently got caught 20-30m out of position because he was too busy watching the ball. He might run hard but it is aimless, and usually because he's in a bad starting position and has to try to make up ground.

He's just not that good. I'd love for him to be a good AFL player, but he's not.

[hujsh]

He's alright at putting on pressure as a small forward, but as a wing I take the word of those who were there that he was just not able to be in the right spots defensively or offensively.

[doggies ftw]

Did you watch the game, or just relying on stats?
He was horrible in that game, playing as a wing. Frequently got caught 20-30m out of position because he was too busy watching the ball. He might run hard but it is aimless, and usually because he's in a bad starting position and has to try to make up ground.

He's just not that good. I'd love for him to be a good AFL player, but he's not.

I don’t think he was good in that game and subbing him off was the right move. My point is as a forward his defensive pressure and defensive running is quite strong, stronger than most of our small fwds we’re playing at the moment and considering our severe lack of options in that role I think he should be in consideration right now, that’s all

[Hotdog60]

The other thing to note is he's not clean with his possessions so that two or three grab undo's any work he did to make ground. I do like him and really wish something would click and turn into Andrew Mcloed but I can't see it happening.