Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

I think we need to stop referring to this year's pick as a first - it will be 20, which realistically is a second round pick. And every chance that next year is the same (if they even offer another 'first').

Pretty much the best deal we can hope for is 2x pick 20 odd (assuming Cats continue as usual and make a prelim).

We all know where Geelong's picks this year are situated and future picks are always a lottery. The point is it's already at a discount so I don't understand why so many think we should accept inferior offers because apparently something is better than nothing.

It's an unlikely scenario to put a player into the PSD and if our supporters are okay with a couple of picks for next year then we won't need to but just accepting whatever they offer isn't okay with me.

[The Pie Man]

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Because they'd be signing a player who doesn't want to be there on an inflated short term contract. There's also the Mental Health aspect, whether it's real or just playing a card. He will nominate a deal that's basically fake and then re-negotiate deal with Geelong. It's bullshit but we know the AFL won't do anything about it. We also know the AFL media narrative will be about us being belligerent rather than it being tantamount to draft tampering.

They can back themselves in to convince him that Punt Rd is the way - he’d suit their rebuild and the douche will get big crowds and the perfect market for whatever canned sh$t he sells.

Richmond would almost be a win win if we harbor any real ambition to challenge the next 2 years.

[Rocco Jones]

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They can back themselves in to convince him that Punt Rd is the way - he’d suit their rebuild and the douche will get big crowds and the perfect market for whatever canned sh$t he sells.

Richmond would almost be a win win if we harbor any real ambition to challenge the next 2 years.

And lose that Cotton On deal that’s technically not linked to Geelong but we know it 100% is? It’s draft/trade/player tampering but we know AFL will look the other way.

[Grantysghost]

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We all know where Geelong's picks this year are situated and future picks are always a lottery. The point is it's already at a discount so I don't understand why so many think we should accept inferior offers because apparently something is better than nothing.

It's an unlikely scenario to put a player into the PSD and if our supporters are okay with a couple of picks for next year then we won't need to but just accepting whatever they offer isn't okay with me.

Always add a buffer year to a contract and never let them run out for a young player like Baz.

[jazzadogs]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

We all know where Geelong's picks this year are situated and future picks are always a lottery. The point is it's already at a discount so I don't understand why so many think we should accept inferior offers because apparently something is better than nothing.

It's an unlikely scenario to put a player into the PSD and if our supporters are okay with a couple of picks for next year then we won't need to but just accepting whatever they offer isn't okay with me.

I'm with you on the structure of what is acceptable. I just think saying 'two first round picks' is so misleading because it's actually pick 20 and likely pick 15+. The first round these days stretches to 25 picks half the time.

Two top 20 picks is my preference.
If the offer was pick 20 this year and their future second I wouldn't accept.

[Uninformed]

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Like the Judd deal with Pratt for Carltom, Smiths Cotton-on link with Geelong looks really suss. It could all be above board, but perceptions matter.

For the sake of being perceived to do the right thing the AFL should deny the Bailey Smith trade to Geelong. Any other team, no problems. But the Geelong move looks bad for the integrity of the competition and should be a no go.

[ledge]

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Like the Judd deal with Pratt for Carltom, Smiths Cotton-on link with Geelong looks really suss. It could all be above board, but perceptions matter.

For the sake of being perceived to do the right thing the AFL should deny the Bailey Smith trade to Geelong. Any other team, no problems. But the Geelong move looks bad for the integrity of the competition and should be a no go.

Problem is if you have no facts of wrong doing you can’t penalise a team just because you think it’s suspicious
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[Bornadog]

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I'm with you on the structure of what is acceptable. I just think saying 'two first round picks' is so misleading because it's actually pick 20 and likely pick 15+. The first round these days stretches to 25 picks half the time.

Two top 20 picks is my preference.
If the offer was pick 20 this year and their future second I wouldn't accept.

It's still pick 15 (sort of) because the same 15 are available to all clubs. The others pushing it to 20 are ungettable anyway.

[jeemak]

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It's still pick 15 (sort of) because the same 15 are available to all clubs. The others pushing it to 20 are ungettable anyway.

It's a decent point. In times past such players would have been taken with third rounders.

[Bornadog]

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It's a decent point. In times past such players would have been taken with third rounders.

Father/sons, Academy push it out but we couldn't pick them anyhow

[jeemak]

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Father/sons, Academy push it out but we couldn't pick them anyhow

Yes, I understood the first time!

[Rocco Jones]

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As a bit of the guide, decent players drafted at 19/20/21 in recent years:

2017- W Powell, O Allen
2018- Stocker
2019- SDK, T Dow
2020- F Macrae, Holmes, Bowey
2021- JVR, Lohmann, M Johnson
2022- E Allan, Konstantly, D Jones

[jazzadogs]

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It's still pick 15 (sort of) because the same 15 are available to all clubs. The others pushing it to 20 are ungettable anyway.

So you're saying that we did pay too much for Sanders...

I can see your point and hadn't really thought about it like that.

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

Because they'd be signing a player who doesn't want to be there on an inflated short term contract. There's also the Mental Health aspect, whether it's real or just playing a card. He will nominate a deal that's basically fake and then re-negotiate deal with Geelong. It's bullshit but we know the AFL won't do anything about it. We also know the AFL media narrative will be about us being belligerent rather than it being tantamount to draft tampering.

I don't believe players can nominate fake deals to get through the drafts because the clubs needs to be able to meet that.
Heavily front loaded contracts are also an issue.
We can search for reasons not to stand our ground but we will prove PETA right and fast track the Mutt moniker if we just roll over and submit to the softer touch and some cheap treats.

I don't care if we cop a bad wrap in the media and we should be prepared to ride out a difficult trade period

[Grantysghost]

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So you're saying that we did pay too much for Sanders...

I can see your point and hadn't really thought about it like that.

However they are the 20th (say pushed back 5) best talent probably so it's not 15.