Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

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  • azabob
    Hall of Fame
    • Sep 2008
    • 15207

    Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

    Originally posted by Danjul
    We have to ask ourselves if we would accept Draper if he was offered as a trade for Young. The Bombers still have Wright.
    Huh? Are you asking if we would trade Young for Draper?
    I’d consider a trade of English for Draper
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    • comrade
      Hall of Fame
      • Jun 2008
      • 17921

      Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

      Originally posted by azabob
      Huh? Are you asking if we would trade Young for Draper?
      I’d consider a trade of English for Draper
      Same but Essendon wouldn’t.

      Draper has what every good ruckman needs, aggression. Timmy not so much.
      Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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      • Danjul
        WOOF Member
        • Apr 2019
        • 1601

        Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

        Originally posted by comrade
        Same but Essendon wouldn’t.

        Draper has what every good ruckman needs, aggression. Timmy not so much.
        Sweet against Gawn: 3. disposals, Hitouts. 17, Time on ground 67%

        Draper against Port: 3 disposals. Hitouts 17 Time on ground 65%.

        For both it was their worst performance for the year.

        For one it was season ending.

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        • comrade
          Hall of Fame
          • Jun 2008
          • 17921

          Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

          Originally posted by Danjul
          Sweet against Gawn: 3. disposals, Hitouts. 17, Time on ground 67%

          Draper against Port: 3 disposals. Hitouts 17 Time on ground 65%.

          For both it was their worst performance for the year.

          For one it was season ending.
          Unfortunately, some players under Bevo get a lot more rope than others.

          Sweet should have played at least a few more after the Melbourne disaster.
          Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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          • The Pie Man
            Coaching Staff
            • May 2008
            • 3498

            Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

            Originally posted by comrade
            Unfortunately, some players under Bevo get a lot more rope than others.

            Sweet should have played at least a few more after the Melbourne disaster.
            Seems so - the inconsistency of it, then the arrogant ‘you just don’t understand’ messaging when asked is wearing very thin.
            Float Along - Fill Your Lungs

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            • G-Mo77
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Apr 2007
              • 9873

              Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

              Originally posted by comrade
              Unfortunately, some players under Bevo get a lot more rope than others.

              Sweet should have played at least a few more after the Melbourne disaster.
              This, should have played nearly every game while Martin has been out. Now we're left with the cupboard bare.

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              • EasternWest
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Aug 2009
                • 9993

                Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

                Originally posted by Danjul
                We have to ask ourselves if we would accept Draper if he was offered as a trade for Young. The Bombers still have Wright.
                I'd pack Lew's bags myself if there were even a sniff of this happening.
                "It's over. It's all over."

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                • Danjul
                  WOOF Member
                  • Apr 2019
                  • 1601

                  Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

                  Originally posted by EasternWest
                  I'd pack Lew's bags myself if there were even a sniff of this happening.
                  The only reason for the question was to lead to the comparison in #273.

                  Draper is really no better than Sweet. He has been developed more carefully by someone who appreciates the ruck. And now Essendon is reaping some benefits.

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                  • The Bulldogs Bite
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 11117

                    Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

                    Looking at the still images (haven't checked the presser out yet), Bevo looks more weathered by the day.
                    W00F!

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                    • azabob
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 15207

                      Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

                      Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                      Looking at the still images (haven't checked the presser out yet), Bevo looks more weathered by the day.
                      He actually looked ok in the footage.
                      More of an In Bruges guy?

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                      • EasternWest
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 9993

                        Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

                        Originally posted by Danjul
                        The only reason for the question was to lead to the comparison in #273.

                        Draper is really no better than Sweet. He has been developed more carefully by someone who appreciates the ruck. And now Essendon is reaping some benefits.
                        I like your work Danjul but Draper's miles better than Sweet.

                        I still think there's hope for Sweet but right now one's an AFL ruckman and one isn't.
                        "It's over. It's all over."

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                        • Danjul
                          WOOF Member
                          • Apr 2019
                          • 1601

                          Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

                          Originally posted by EasternWest
                          I like your work Danjul but Draper's miles better than Sweet.

                          I still think there's hope for Sweet but right now one's an AFL ruckman and one isn't.
                          Probably true, but my point is that it didn’t have to be that way.

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                          • EasternWest
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 9993

                            Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

                            Originally posted by Danjul
                            Probably true, but my point is that it didn’t have to be that way.
                            Also probably true, but right now it is that way.

                            So yes, Young for Draper in a heartbeat .
                            "It's over. It's all over."

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                            • jeemak
                              Bulldog Legend
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 21580

                              Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

                              This is by no means a knock on posters, and posters can post what they want.

                              However, I think it's much less likely that favouritism (or the opposite of) is the governing philosophy for selection, over measurable performance, continual feedback to players on how to improve perceived deficiencies, and talent. The problem is, we don't know what those metrics are, irrespective of what we can see and the ever improving data available to us. There's just so much we don't know.

                              It boggles my mind that some can fixate on this stuff in lieu of not knowing what's actually going on - and seriously believe that what they're fixating on is the truth without access to some more information. Or pick one possible cause for what's being seen and just stick with it.

                              Maybe it comes down to personality types (and this place is a microcosm of different personalities). For instance, we just did DISC personality assessments at work and when going through those assessments I end up biased towards the stability (not mentally, as you'd have figured out) side of things and that's kind of how my views here play out.

                              So again, this isn't a crack at anyone, more an expression of curiosity and/ or fascination.
                              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                              • Danjul
                                WOOF Member
                                • Apr 2019
                                • 1601

                                Re: Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

                                Originally posted by EasternWest
                                Also probably true, but right now it is that way.

                                So yes, Young for Draper in a heartbeat .
                                Young competed in 53 ruck contests against Port. He won 13. But he prevented his opponents from placing the ball. So our midfielders were able to even the clearances.

                                centre clearances 9:9

                                If he can do that again we win.

                                It will be interesting to see how he goes against an opponent who engineered our loss two weeks ago.

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