Official 2008 Draft/Trade Thread

[Rocket Science]

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Leon Cameron was on SEN this morning...

One more thing, he said he would definitely be at the club next year.

Tremendous news.

[soupman]

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Retire Brad Johnson
Too many skill errors in his game now. Lost his spring and lost his pace. His future injuries will have worsening effects. His time is up!

Scott West - toss of the coin. Don't know. Just how bad is his injury? Not much difference between West and Cross? Yes there is, West can run and carry and West has "presence".

JC, your post is one of the biggest loads of crap I've ever had the displeasure of reading on this board. However, assuming you actually thought out your arguments instead of just firing off on the first poor idea that came to your head, how can you explain the two above contrasting statements.

You claim that Johnson should be "retired" because he is getting old and his body is starting to wear down, but you then suggest that Westy is a moderate chance of being retained, despite his injuries being clearly worse than Johnno's.

[bulldogtragic]

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Simon Taylor?

Hudson may only have one year.

Skipper is not an AFL ruckman


???

[Scraggers]

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If players are struggling to get a game with their current club, why are we even considering them (Graham / Thorpe et al.) ??

There is a reason they can't get a game with thier current club ... THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH !!

I am sick of trying other clubs players to see if they can make it with us (Mc Dougall et al.) IMO we should recruit young and wisely NOT from other AFL teams !!

Most opposition clubs have been able to build key position players from their rookie list or drafting of young players ... Why can't we ????

[bulldogtragic]

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If players are struggling to get a game with their current club, why are we even considering them (Graham / Thorpe et al.) ??

There is a reason they can't get a game with thier current club ... THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH !!

I am sick of trying other clubs players to see if they can make it with us (Mc Dougall et al.) IMO we should recruit young and wisely NOT from other AFL teams !!

Most opposition clubs have been able to build key position players from their rookie list or drafting of young players ... Why can't we ????

Williams, Buddy and Roughy.

Thorpe can't get a game behind them. Well he must be a hack

[Scraggers]

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Williams, Buddy and Roughy.

Thorpe can't get a game behind them. Well he must be a hack

I'm not saying he is a hack, I am saying he is someone we should not chase !!

If he is Hawthorn's FOURTH choice as a forward why should he be our FIRST

He is their FOURTH choce for a reason !

[bulldogtragic]

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I'm not saying he is a hack, I am saying he is someone we should not chase !!

If he is Hawthorn's FOURTH choice as a forward why should he be our FIRST

He is their FOURTH choce for a reason !

Sorry, i will just agree to disagree.

As by that logic we have to trade for a first picked forward from teams which would include Porplyzia, Motlop, McKinley, Hale/Edwards as the others are untouchabe (i.e. Riewoldt, Brown, Pavlich, Buddy, etc etc).

Or we get oldies like Thompson or Hall (who is contracted and wll cost)

Or we can go after say Thorpe, pick 6 of the super draft, in Clayton's words "the most natural centre half forward i have ever seen who can't get a game behind 3 players who have kicked over 200 goals collectively. That is why he can't crack it for a game.

But as i say, we agree to disagree.

[Dry Rot]

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Aren't the Hawks knobs to trade with and would want a good first round pick for Thorpe?

[bulldogtragic]

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Aren't the Hawks knobs to trade with and would want a good first round pick for Thorpe?

Yes.

Would need to trade quality to get quality.

[Dry Rot]

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If Ray wants to go West and if (and I stress IF) we want Hall, would the following trades work? (I might be out by one draft place)

Freo get Ray and gain pick 27, lose Pick 19

Swans get Pick 19 and Pick 30, lose Hall and Pick 27

Dogs get Hall and lose Ray and Pick 30


Swans get the better end of the deal we get the reverse, but Hall is under contract and Pick 30 from us just won't do the deal. Maybe you could add a swap of Round 3 picks between us and Freo, but I dunno if they'll come at that.

None of the above should be taken that we should get Hall, rather it just offers a way to do so.

[Scraggers]

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Sorry, i will just agree to disagree.

As by that logic we have to trade for a first picked forward from teams which would include Porplyzia, Motlop, McKinley, Hale/Edwards as the others are untouchabe (i.e. Riewoldt, Brown, Pavlich, Buddy, etc etc).

Or we get oldies like Thompson or Hall (who is contracted and wll cost)

Or we can go after say Thorpe, pick 6 of the super draft, in Clayton's words "the most natural centre half forward i have ever seen who can't get a game behind 3 players who have kicked over 200 goals collectively. That is why he can't crack it for a game.

But as i say, we agree to disagree.

Pick six of the super draft doesn't mean he can hold a KP ... Farren Ray was pick four in the draft and he can't even hold his position the side

Again I'm not saying trade ... I'm saying recruit

We need to go for young players not USED players

I too will agree to disagree

[The Pie Man]

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I'm not saying he is a hack, I am saying he is someone we should not chase !!

If he is Hawthorn's FOURTH choice as a forward why should he be our FIRST

He is their FOURTH choce for a reason !

Who knows what they'll do, but I think Boyle can play (I haven't seen Thorp) and they do have an embarrassment of tall riches, that's the reason they're third & fourth choice talls there. That for mine doesn't suggest they can't play, though I do agree with you that we have a bad record in trading for so-so big men.

From the honour roll I read Kingsley Hunter, Trent Bartlett (uughhh) Adam Morgan (unlucky with the knee and played out of position when fit) Andrew McDougall (again, I would have liked to have seen him deep in the forward line, but not to be) and while Daniel Bandy was great in his first year, he did nothing after that.

And on the trading Cross idea from earlier in the post, it is a ridiculous suggestion - sure, Cross has his deficiencies, but we trade him and we're left with Boyd & Cooney as our major ball winners - we need more contested 'inside' players, not less. He is good overhead too, that's a fact. If we have to give something up, Farren Ray still has some currency. Anyone else of value I'd be reluctant to let go of - Giansiracusa, Higgins, Tom Williams all have value, but you wouldn't give them up.

Anyone think Ryan Gamble would be worth a look at?

[Sockeye Salmon]

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If players are struggling to get a game with their current club, why are we even considering them (Graham / Thorpe et al.) ??

There is a reason they can't get a game with thier current club ... THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH !!

I am sick of trying other clubs players to see if they can make it with us (Mc Dougall et al.) IMO we should recruit young and wisely NOT from other AFL teams !!

Most opposition clubs have been able to build key position players from their rookie list or drafting of young players ... Why can't we ????

That's the point of trading isn't it? Identify the guys playing seconds who could go on to be top liners.

Melbourne Storm started up from scratch and needed a half-back. there was a guy at newcastle playing seconds who couldn't get a game because of Andrew Johns - Brett Kimmorley. he led the Storm to a premiership.

Kimmorley left and they picked up Matt Orford from someone's seconds (can't remember which club).

The secret is to pick up someone who is talented yet young enough to turn into a good footballer. Identify why they haven't made it yet and fix the problem. If maturity or opportunity are the main reasons, they're easy to fix.

Thorp hasn't even turned 20 yet (DOB 25/12/88), he's younger than Brennan Stack, Malcolm Lynch, Shaun Higgins, Jarrod Harbrow or Steven Tiller!

[Scraggers]

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That's the point of trading isn't it? Identify the guys playing seconds who could go on to be top liners.

Like Carlton did with Judd ?

Melbourne Storm started up from scratch and needed a half-back. there was a guy at newcastle playing seconds who couldn't get a game because of Andrew Johns - Brett Kimmorley. he led the Storm to a premiership.

Kimmorley left and they picked up Matt Orford from someone's seconds (can't remember which club).

I understand what you are saying SS, but your point about Kimmorley is a bad analogy and poorly made ... Kimmorley played a number of first grade games for Newcastle before moving on to the Hunter Mariners where he played a full season before the club was disbanded. He was a free agent on the market when Melbourne Storm was formed.

On the other hand Thorp has played one AFL game in 2007 ... and it is obviously not very memorable ... if he is that good, why didn't he play this season when Williams didn't in rounds 1, 2, and 3 ??

The secret is to pick up someone who is talented yet young enough to turn into a good footballer. Identify why they haven't made it yet and fix the problem. If maturity or opportunity are the main reasons, they're easy to fix.

This is exactly what I am saying ... Thorp has played one game of AFL ... WHY, If he is as brilliant as everyone has stated ?? ... I understand that he had a hip injury in 2007, but he was declared fully fit leading into the 2007 finals and din't get a game, and there have been opportunities for him to play this year ... again he didn't get a game

I am suggesting IF we take part in the trade talks we do go after a proven KPP such as a Porplezia rather than a teams Fourth choice

[GVGjr]

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Anyone think Ryan Gamble would be worth a look at?

He's a classy young player that can't guarantee a spot in a very strong outfit so he meets the criteria but what role could he play for us?
To me as good as he is he wouldn't make a lot of difference to us unless we got a genuine KPP as well.