Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

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Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Andrew I totally agree here. All the spin and stonewalling does is make members more cynical. Good point.

Lantern actually made this point much earlier, and who knows, the Club may come out and say something along these lines once the dust has settled.

It may be that we have to be careful with our wording to ensure we satisfy all legal requirements. Cynical, but if supporters can't deal with a bit of stonewalling in a difficult time, too bad. The fact that these same supporters are eating up Aker's victim act just because he has the loudest voice suggests the Club is in a lose/lose situation regardless.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Lantern actually made this point much earlier, and who knows, the Club may come out and say something along these lines once the dust has settled.

It may be that we have to be careful with our wording to ensure we satisfy all legal requirements. Cynical, but if supporters can't deal with a bit of stonewalling in a difficult time, too bad. The fact that these same supporters are eating up Aker's victim act just because he has the loudest voice suggests the Club is in a lose/lose situation regardless.

Firstly, after him telling Rose to 'piss off' I'm no great Aker supporter.

However, there is no legal ramification for saying ' We didn't handle it perfectly'.
Nor for saying ' a few of the blokes took it pretty hard but in the end, it was a majority decision. Saying the players were all 100% behind the sacking is silly as it's clearly not true. We all know human nature is not like this.
Jason in no position to take legal action as it would just erode his diminishing supporter base.

He's not a victim and if he is then he made himself vulnerable for taking out large loans that obligated him to continue his media work and then choosing to enter relations with the likes of Price. He should have been more mindful of the company he keeps.
Sam Newman is a bomb waiting to explode.

Two sides to every story and only they know the facts. Give me the complicated facts over drum beating. The club is always bigger than the man, and if it's best for him to go, then that's fine with me. There is however no shame in pointing out errors from the club because that is how we learn and improve.

Lockett, Poly Farmer, Ablett. All clubs have had to learn with their individualists.

Onward!

[Twodogs]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Not sure that he was harshly treated but I think the club did get some things wrong.
Regarding the issue of Newman having a crack at Cooney with info being supplied by Aker (either directly or indirectly) I certainly don't think it's a good thing but I wouldn't take some of the comments over the last few days as gospel that he deliberately loaded the gun for Newman.

There is no evidence to take that as a granted.

Maybe not definitive evidence, but it stinks to high heaven from Sam and Aker's POV. Maybe I wouldnt get this to stand up in court in a criminal case where the defence only have to provide a reasonable doubt but you can bet your balls I'd win a civil case where the decision is made on the overall balance of probabilities.


The fact that Sam and Aker changed their story on this exact subject twice on thursday night (from "Sam overheard me" to "I told Sam" makes me very curious. Any decent lawyer woulkd wipe the floor with any witness who told varying stories like that.

I went into this whole situation with an open mind because I love Aker and the footy club isnt always in the right. Since then it's become more and more apparant that the club was put in an intolerable position by a player who put his trust in a media personality who couldnt wait to pot him and a journalist who he expected to keep a confidence.

As for Price, Aker is looking for who it was that betrayed him to the media, the coach, the 'footy personality' or the journo who cant keep his mouth shut. I know who my money would be on. I also knoiw who the bookies would frame as favorite and it aint the footy coach.

[GVGjr]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

To all those who have said Smorgon should have been the one to front up instead of Rose. I think that would have been the worst possible scenario as (and let me state I love Smorgo he's been awesome,with the possible exception of the name change, for our club) he does not have a great track record regarding commenting on player rifts and contoversies within our club. I think in his fierce love and loyalty to the club he often gets a little petty and combative and can sometimes have a bit of foot in mouth disease. Maybe its just me but I remember all too well the issues with Dougie, Dimma and Libba. The other side of this is that David has a great capacity for forgiveness and buries the hatchet quite willingly and with great class.

I think by having someone as non-combative and removed from the situation as Campbell Rose the club avoided getting into a messy fight live on television. I was however quite angry that they allowed Aker to stay out there during Rose's segment it looked to me like an ambush.

It was a no win situation for the club to have anyone front up to the footy show. To that end Rose did his job well.
As BornaScragger pointed out an employer can't bag an employee on national TV and get into the specifics of why a tough decision was made. This could go to court.

We can argue all we like if Aker told Price or Newman with a view of grabbing a headline and we can argue all we like if it was a unanimous club decision or not. In the end it makes no difference if Aker's side of the story is right or it isn't.

We do know Akermanis lost a significant portion of the club's support and that was enough to have his contract terminated.

I understand why people are getting stuck into Akermanis but won't be joining that queue.
I also understand why so many are backing the club regardless of how it performed through this issue and once again I won't be joining that queue either.

I wonder if this new found appreciation of the clubs decision making process a lot of supporters have embraced in the last few days will be continue to be extended if we rack up a few disappointing results?

[boydogs]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

If anyone needed any proof of how divisive this bloke and his actions can be just look / read how he has managed to divide our supporter base.

Very observant point. I have enjoyed reading the Aker posts on this board, some very intelligent and insightful comments.

However, can I please remind everyone of one thing in this debate -

Jason Akermanis is a footballer

He is not a diplomat, a role model, or a PR manager. Have we become so PC these days that a loudmouth can't play football?

Just a question for those that think Aker is being harshly teated.

How do you feel about his admission that he did actually disclose the information purporsely to Newman which Newman that used to ambush Adam Cooney on national TV with? Especially when he and Newman first claimed that Newman had overheard it and used it without Aker's knowledge?

I'm genuinly interested in your honest opinions. I'm not asking my question to provoke a negative response or to make a point.

Personally I think it shows exactly the sort of disregard for teammates and lack of team ethos Aker is being accused of.

I think probably the same as you and most others, that it shows he is a big mouth trying to lie his way out of trouble. I just don't think this sin should prevent you from playing sport.

This wasn't a marriage, it was a sports team. The only thing that should be important is results. As long as we can 'trust' that he will give his all on the playing field, then he should be playing

Andrew I totally agree here. All the spin and stonewalling does is make members more cynical. Good point.

I don't think there is much spin to it. He lost the trust of the playing group, and they sacked him for it. There is no hidden truth that vindicates their position, that's it

[LostDoggy]

Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Am i the only one who thinks the footy community & media world, have lost the concept as to why he was sacked?

Yeah, he has always been a media person & outspoken, we knew that & supported him when the homophobic article came out. Wasn't every article Aker published, ran past James Fantasia? surely we wouldn't have let it go through to the Herald Sun, if we didn't support Aker's freedom of speech & what he put forward to the club.

I think the bigger picture in all of this is the lack of trust, which was ultimately between Aker and the playing group. Which came to a head because he leaked confidential information to Sam Newman, which resulted in Cooney being made a fool on live TV & scathing attacks on teammates in a book. A leak had to come from somewhere, considering Aker & possibly the ghost writer are the only ones who would ultimately know about the book.

It seems to me that people have got caught up in the whole "we knew what we were getting into" talk, which i think everyone has acknowledged that part of it anyway. I still feel WE didn't know what we were getting into, in regards to confidential team meetings being spoken about to other media personalities.

I really feel that Aker has done what he set out to do, divert attention away from the real issue.

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Re: Campbell Rose - PR Flunky

Am i the only one who thinks the footy community & media world, have lost the concept as to why he was sacked?

Yeah, he has always been a media person & outspoken, we knew that & supported him when the homophobic article came out. Wasn't every article Aker published, ran past James Fantasia? surely we wouldn't have let it go through to the Herald Sun, if we didn't support Aker's freedom of speech & what he put forward to the club.

I think the bigger picture in all of this is the lack of trust, which was ultimately between Aker and the playing group. Which came to a head because he leaked confidential information to Sam Newman, which resulted in Cooney being made a fool on live TV & scathing attacks on teammates in a book. A leak had to come from somewhere, considering Aker & possibly the ghost writer are the only ones who would ultimately know about the book.

It seems to me that people have got caught up in the whole "we knew what we were getting into" talk, which i think everyone has acknowledged that part of it anyway. I still feel WE didn't know what we were getting into, in regards to confidential team meetings being spoken about to other media personalities.

I really feel that Aker has done what he set out to do, divert attention away from the real issue.

I agree, his interview on BTG was set up well too(he certainly has more mates in the media than he does in footy).