Candidacy - Senior Coach - Western Bulldogs

[Maddog37]

Re: Candidacy - Senior Coach - Western Bulldogs

I think because they have been in successful environments and are very highly respected within the football world.

So should we not bother at all if there is no ideal coach? What is your point?

[soupman]

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I think because they have been in successful environments and are very highly respected within the football world.

So should we not bother at all if there is no ideal coach? What is your point?

Just wondering why those two were singled out. The second part is more a badly written reference to how people can easily get caught up in saying someone is going to be much better and is an "ideal candidate", when really they are just as speculative as anyone else. Not a criticism.

[The Underdog]

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This post is an idependant thought is it not? and it comes from a very experienced, passionate and intelligent supporter who travels, who barracks his heart out and will not accept mediocre performances.. and the 56 rear drought to continue to drag along... show some respect bornadog.. and step out of your shell and attack the staus quo

An independent thought or independent of thought?
To be fair you accept the performances you're given mediocre or not. You, as I, have no power to change performance.

I don't disagree that Eade may be done but to be fair to him, he should be allowed to see out his contract and then hopefully treated with dignity. He has after all just led us through one of the most successful periods in the club's VFL/AFL history (I understand what this says about the club, but it's true) and is likely one of the top 3 coaches in our history. All coaches come with an expiry date and his might be coming, but let's treat him with the respect he deserves for where he has taken the club since the dark Rohde days.

Oh and on a side note, while you're going the coach, at what point do the players take some responsibility? I doubt the coaches orders were to go out, panic and then not give a *!*!*!*!.

[AndrewP6]

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Oh and on a side note, while you're going the coach, at what point do the players take some responsibility? I doubt the coaches orders were to go out, panic and then not give a *!*!*!*!.

Very good point.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Candidacy - Senior Coach - Western Bulldogs

Any thoughts?

Whilst it wouldn't surprise me to see Eade given the A, I think it's a terrible approach mid-season. Allow them the dignity of seeing out their contract, and as others have said, go through the relevant processes when and if change is deemed necessary. Unless the players drive it (by saying he's lost their support), axing him now would achieve nought.

[Flamethrower]

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Blaming the coach is the coward's way out.

In times of crisis, clubs with poor culture sack the coach.

Clubs with a successful culture get to the root of the problem and don't look for scapegoats.

[chef]

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Blaming the coach is the coward's way out.

In times of crisis, clubs with poor culture sack the coach.

Clubs with a successful culture get to the root of the problem and don't look for scapegoats.

Hasn't every club at some point sacked a coach mid season?

If we continue to play like this I think we would be stupid not to throw a Cameron or someone like him in just to see how he goes.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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Who do you suggest we cut? ATM I am expecting to see Hall, Hahn, Hudson and Gilbee on the retirement list at the end of the year, but I can't think of anybody else who obviously shouldn't be at the club next year.

I would throw Cross and Murphy up, Cross as next year the kids will go past him and have better disposal skills, Murphy as I keep hearing that his Knees are no good (bone on bone)

With these 6 we just couldn't turn that many guys over so based on form/injuries and our secession plan who knows. In order I would retire

Hahn, Gilbee, Cross, Hudson, Hall, Murphy

Also we should go out and get a true leader before a new coach, someone that demands the team do the right thing just like J.Brown, I have been concerned with things I heard about the likes of Higgins promised leadership roles, Cooney to me isn't a good fit ether.

I think this is the side of the game we need addressed, Rocket has done a good job in getting us to our current state, but yet again it's between the ears that lets us down.

[LongWait]

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Blaming the coach is the coward's way out.

In times of crisis, clubs with poor culture sack the coach.

Clubs with a successful culture get to the root of the problem and don't look for scapegoats.

What crap! There have been significant concerns over Eades' coaching for some time. In the face of abject failure we can't ignore the obvious truth...or should Eade take neither the credit for our megre success, nor the blame for our failure? To not hold the coach accountable is to encourage the search for scapegoats!

[Jasper]

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Blaming the coach is the coward's way out.

In times of crisis, clubs with poor culture sack the coach.

Clubs with a successful culture get to the root of the problem and don't look for scapegoats.

The club often quoted as the paragon of 'excellent culture' is Sydney. Guess what...they sacked Eade.

Essendon is one of the more successful teams of the modern era..they ruthlessly sacked Knights, they also moved on Sheedy.

Let's not kid ourselves that it is poor culture to sack coaches (and coaches aren't sacked after they win a flag - unless your name is Mick). It is a fact that most coaches are sacked at some stage and it will always be when the club is in 'crisis' ie not performing. I would suggest that our worst performance in the the last 20 years or so is a time of crisis.

Having said that, if the season is shot by Round 18, I don't see why Eade couldn't be moved on. Start our process early, get a new coach in place prior to the trade and draft period.

And having said that if somehow the club turns around well who knows Eade may have got himself an extension (I'd go with the bookies here who have us at 34/1 for the flag)

[westdog54]

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The club often quoted as the paragon of 'excellent culture' is Sydney. Guess what...they sacked Eade.

Bzzz, wrong. Eade Walked mid season.

Essendon is one of the more successful teams of the modern era..they ruthlessly sacked Knights, they also moved on Sheedy.

Knights was sacked at the end of the season, and a thorough process was undertaken to replace him. Sheedy coached for 27 seasons and 600 games for 4 premierships, and survived calls for his sacking several times through that time.

Let's not kid ourselves that it is poor culture to sack coaches (and coaches aren't sacked after they win a flag - unless your name is Mick). It is a fact that most coaches are sacked at some stage and it will always be when the club is in 'crisis' ie not performing. I would suggest that our worst performance in the the last 20 years or so is a time of crisis.

But why does it seem that sacking the coach seems to be the only option offered up here?Why aren't you asking for the playing group to be made accountable as well?

Having said that, if the season is shot by Round 18, I don't see why Eade couldn't be moved on. Start our process early, get a new coach in place prior to the trade and draft period.

If our season is shot by Round 18 I can see Eade walking of his own accord, the same as how he walked from Sydney... Oh, wait, you forgot about that bit. Why does a coach have to be moved on by Round 18 to ensure he's in place for the trade period? Hird came in well after the end of Essendon's season and was making

I can imagine that this playing group would frustrate him to tears at times and there will come a stage where he'll have had enough.

And having said that if somehow the club turns around well who knows Eade may have got himself an extension (I'd go with the bookies here who have us at 34/1 for the flag)

By your own logic if the club does turn itself around then Eade should be kept. It all seems pretty cut and dry in your world.

[LostDoggy]

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Robert Walls on " One week at a time " has said that Eade has 14 games to state his case for still being the Dogs coach next season , winning less than 7 could see him in trouble

badly thrashed in a away game , Hawthorn ( 3rd ) next when we have to try and get back on track then Geelong ( 1st ) at Skilled Stadium, two more losses will just intensify the pressure and two more losses could be on the cards

I,ll give the guys my full support but they have to lift and work together or this could ugly

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[LostDoggy]

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Hasn't every club at some point sacked a coach mid season?

If we continue to play like this I think we would be stupid not to throw a Cameron or someone like him in just to see how he goes.

I agree with the ideas here.

The whole management must be looked at, it's up to the coaching staff and to a lesser extent, the leaders to motivate the team. I didn't see desire out there on Sunday. Also, the fitness team should be under scrutiny.

Cameron would be worth a shot. Whatever it takes, something must change, we can never capitulate like that again. Even if we were playing a far better team we would not get beaten like that if the team was motivated.

[Jasper]

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Bzzz, wrong. Eade Walked mid season.



Knights was sacked at the end of the season, and a thorough process was undertaken to replace him. Sheedy coached for 27 seasons and 600 games for 4 premierships, and survived calls for his sacking several times through that time.



But why does it seem that sacking the coach seems to be the only option offered up here?Why aren't you asking for the playing group to be made accountable as well?



If our season is shot by Round 18 I can see Eade walking of his own accord, the same as how he walked from Sydney... Oh, wait, you forgot about that bit. Why does a coach have to be moved on by Round 18 to ensure he's in place for the trade period? Hird came in well after the end of Essendon's season and was making

I can imagine that this playing group would frustrate him to tears at times and there will come a stage where he'll have had enough.



By your own logic if the club does turn itself around then Eade should be kept. It all seems pretty cut and dry in your world.

Mate a lot of this is wrong. Eade only went after the president made it clear he would not be reappointed, so rewrite history if you like but don't expect me to swallow your revisionism

And Hird made no changes to his list maybe because he was too late getting to the club to do so.

And the fact was Sheedy was moved on after a sustained period of no success post their 2000 flag. (roughly about as long as Eade has been at the club).

So no I don't accept your arguments, and yes it should be pretty cut and dried that the coach goes if the team's performance isn't there (and stays if it is) Simple fact is we can't sack 40 players.

[Bornadog]

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So no I don't accept your arguments, and yes it should be pretty cut and dried that the coach goes if the team's performance isn't there (and stays if it is) Simple fact is we can't sack 40 players.

but doing that now won't achieve anything. So lets assess the perfomance at the end of the year.