Candidacy - Senior Coach - Western Bulldogs

[KT31]

Re: Candidacy - Senior Coach - Western Bulldogs

I agree with the ideas here.

The whole management must be looked at, it's up to the coaching staff and to a lesser extent, the leaders to motivate the team. I didn't see desire out there on Sunday. Also, the fitness team should be under scrutiny.

Cameron would be worth a shot. Whatever it takes, something must change, we can never capitulate like that again. Even if we were playing a far better team we would not get beaten like that if the team was motivated.

As much as I disagree with sacking Eade.
For contructive debate I don't think Cameron would be the right fit, IMO we need a coach from outside of the club who has not played or formed friendships with our players.
That way he can come in and have an unbiased opinion and make the right choices.
I also would not strike out Malthouse, he is strict and get the players well drilled and they play disciplined football.
Something lacking at the Doggoes at the moment.

[LostDoggy]

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What an embarrassing performance, it takes some very poor management to make a whole team underperform that much. Not for the first time this season, the Essendon game was nearly as bad. Sorry but I am so angry over that effort on Sunday.

[Jasper]

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but doing that now won't achieve anything. So lets assess the perfomance at the end of the year.

No not now, the season isn't gone. If its gone by Round 18, that give us 6 weeks to find a new coach, and then the finals period to assess the list and develop trading strategies. (clearly assuming we don't take an existing coach coaching finals)

[Bornadog]

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No not now, the season isn't gone. If its gone by Round 18, that give us 6 weeks to find a new coach, and then the finals period to assess the list and develop trading strategies. (clearly assuming we don't take an existing coach coaching finals)

ok, thats different, I can agree to that, but what is your pass mark?

[Jasper]

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ok, thats different, I can agree to that, but what is your pass mark?

Not different to what I said in my initial post.

Pass mark - hard to say.

Finals Scenario 1 - We scrape into finals on back of Lake, Murphy, Hudson and Hall. No development from younger group like Hill, Wood, Grant, Higgins, etc

Close to gonsky - lineball I would think - I would say gone, not sure club would.

Finals Scenario 2 - We scrape into finals on back of great performances from our younger players like Grant, Higgins, Hill, (yes Stack), Wood, etc

Pass - 1-2 yr extension

No finals

Gonsky

We make a prelim or better

1-2yr extension

[Bornadog]

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Not different to what I said in my initial post.

Pass mark - hard to say.

Finals Scenario 1 - We scrape into finals on back of Lake, Murphy, Hudson and Hall. No development from younger group like Hill, Wood, Grant, Higgins, etcClose to gonsky - lineball I would think - I would say gone, not sure club would.

Finals Scenario 2 - We scrape into finals on back of great performances from our younger players like Grant, Higgins, Hill, (yes Stack), Wood, etc
Pass - 1-2 yr extension

No finals
Gonsky

We make a prelim or better
1-2yr extension

Sounds fair.

I would like to see more debuts as well this year to help prepare us to replace all the 30 plus year olds over the next couple of years.

[Jasper]

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Sounds fair.

I would like to see more debuts as well this year to help prepare us to replace all the 30 plus year olds over the next couple of years.

Great we agree I can go to bed with clear mind.

But in referring 'all the 30 plus year olds' we are steering dangerously close to my hobby horse that we should have traded some of our older players while they had currency in order to rebalance the list with quality youth. Reckon that ship has nearly sailed though.

[FrediKanoute]

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As much as I disagree with sacking Eade.
For contructive debate I don't think Cameron would be the right fit, IMO we need a coach from outside of the club who has not played or formed friendships with our players.
That way he can come in and have an unbiased opinion and make the right choices.
I also would not strike out Malthouse, he is strict and get the players well drilled and they play disciplined football.
Something lacking at the Doggoes at the moment.

I agree somethings lacking at the moment, but Malthouse isn't going to fix it. If this had been 2 years ago we would be falling overourselves to get Allison or Bomber Thompson to the club. Now that thet Pies are the best thing since sliced bread all sins are forgiven and Mick the traitor Malthouse is welcomed back with open arms.......why don't we just extend the olive branch to Terry Wheeler or Alan Joyce or Terry Wallace........

[Dogmatic]

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I'll start by saying that rocket has been a good coach for the club, however, he has lost the players. I was concerned with him since last year, I think finishing 4th flattered us. At the b&f rocket said he was pleased that we had 10 scoring shots in last Qtr against saints. Big deal! The game was lost in 3rd Qtr.

This year he keeps saying that we have won just as many qtrs as collingwood. Who cares? We need to win games.

Our game plan hasn't evolved with the rest of the competition.

[westdog54]

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Mate a lot of this is wrong. Eade only went after the president made it clear he would not be reappointed, so rewrite history if you like but don't expect me to swallow your revisionism

You're undoing your own argument here. Eade was not sacked mid-season as you claim. I'm not the one rewriting history.

And Hird made no changes to his list maybe because he was too late getting to the club to do so.

Not sure Bachar Houli and Jason Laycock will share the view that no changes were made to the list. Not sure how comfortable Jay Neagle is on the Rookie List either.

And the fact was Sheedy was moved on after a sustained period of no success post their 2000 flag. (roughly about as long as Eade has been at the club).

Before that, Essendon had gone 8 years without a flag (85-93) followed by another 7. Why is post 2000 so different? 27 years is a bloody long time.

So no I don't accept your arguments, and yes it should be pretty cut and dried that the coach goes if the team's performance isn't there (and stays if it is) Simple fact is we can't sack 40 players.

But as you've identified, if things have turned around then he should stay.

Your original point was that the argument that successful clubs don't sack coaches mid-season is wrong. You'vesince put up nothing credible to support it.

[kruder]

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Leon Cameron is not the answer.

We need someone from a successful background who dosen't have a relationship with any of the playing group so that hard decisions can be made.

[Dogmatic]

Re: Candidacy - Senior Coach - Western Bulldogs

Leon Cameron is not the answer.

We need someone from a successful background who dosen't have a relationship with any of the playing group so that hard decisions can be made.

When Paul Roos started coaching at Sydney Swans, he did not have a successful background and he already had a relationship with the players..........they achieved ultimate success.

[comrade]

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When Paul Roos started coaching at Sydney Swans, he did not have a successful background and he already had a relationship with the players..........they achieved ultimate success.

What exactly has Leon Cameron done at the Bulldogs or Hawthorn that has you convinced he is the right man for the job?

Any specific examples of structures, game plans or examples of his ability to man manage?

[Dogmatic]

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What exactly has Leon Cameron done at the Bulldogs or Hawthorn that has you convinced he is the right man for the job?

Any specific examples of structures, game plans or examples of his ability to man manage?

I didn't say he was definately the man, i'm just trying to say that you can't just rule him out because he hasn't won a premiership or because he has a relationship with the players

[comrade]

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I didn't say he was definately the man, i'm just trying to say that you can't just rule him out because he hasn't won a premiership or because he has a relationship with the players

But what is about about his coaching ability has you 'not ruling him out'?