Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[ledge]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Please explain?

Well this coach only took over this year and hasn't recruited old recycled players so to say we are continuing to do it is wrong since the coach has arrived he has also said he won't recruit other clubs rejects

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Well this coach only took over this year and hasn't recruited old recycled players so to say we are continuing to do it is wrong since the coach has arrived he has also said he won't recruit other clubs rejects

Did he really say that?

So he hasnt read moneyball then?

Has worked ok for Sydney.....

[Maddog37]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

What about Austin?

[Bornadog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Well this coach only took over this year and hasn't recruited old recycled players so to say we are continuing to do it is wrong since the coach has arrived he has also said he won't recruit other clubs rejects

Did he really say that?

So he hasnt read moneyball then?

Has worked ok for Sydney.....

The coach said if they target players from other clubs they will be in the younger bracket rather than the older bracket. Not sure what the cut off age is.

[Bornadog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

What about Austin?

Austin, Dickson, mature age recruits.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Well this coach only took over this year and hasn't recruited old recycled players so to say we are continuing to do it is wrong since the coach has arrived he has also said he won't recruit other clubs rejects

The question was:

When are we going to start targeting players who have proven themselves at senior AFL level like the stronger clubs in Hawthorn, Sydney Swans and Collingwood have done?

And I think it's a fair question, especially when the clubs named just happen to be three of the last four standing in 2012.

[Bornadog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Josh Toy to decide future next week after meeting with Western Bulldogs

GOLD Coast defender Josh Toy will decide next week whether to continue his career in Melbourne next season.

The highly-skilled backman met Western Bulldogs officials yesterday about a possible shift to Whitten Oval.

Toy's ball distribution from half back would be a welcome addition to the Dogs following the retirement of lethal flanker Lindsay Gilbee this season.

However, St Kilda, Carlton and Hawthorn are also believed to be keen on the 20-year-old.

Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley, who was an assistant coach when Toy was in the AIS-AFL program in 2009, also has a strong relationship with the right-footer.

The former under-18 All-Australian has had a frustrating first two seasons with the Suns, playing only 13 games, but could remain in Queensland.

After eight games in his first season, Toy made five appearances this year.

Gold Coast has tabled a one-year contract for Toy and will drive a hard bargain for the former Calder Cannons player should he opt to leave.

Toy's manager, James Pitcher from Strategic Management, said the playmaking defender would make a call on his future in a week.

"He might still stay up there. He has come home to discuss things with us and talk to his mum," Pitcher said.

"He hasn't made any decisions yet, but he is committed to making the most of himself and his AFL career.

"He wants to play senior footy and I certainly think he has the ability to do that."

Toy was considered one of the most outstanding under-age talents and would probably have been a top five pick in the national draft had the Suns not chosen him as one of their 17-year-old access selections in 2010.

The 185cm backman has a booming right foot but has been told he needs to improve his endurance and defensive aptitude.

After eight games in his first season, Toy made only five AFL appearances last year and failed to string together more than two consecutive games.

He averaged only three and half possessions per game last season.

[Go_Dogs]

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Thanks for posting that BAD.

It paints Toy as a defender who has no endurance or defensive aptitude and someone who we'd use as our key playmaker yet he only averaged 3.5 touches a game? If we have to give up anything for him, I'd be very reluctant.

[GVGjr]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Thanks for posting that BAD.

It paints Toy as a defender who has no endurance or defensive aptitude and someone who we'd use as our key playmaker yet he only averaged 3.5 touches a game? If we have to give up anything for him, I'd be very reluctant.

That's pretty much how he played as a junior. Very good when he is out by himself.

[Greystache]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

I didn't notice him this year, does anyone know if he was the sub a few times. The most kicks he got in a game was 3, and twice he recorded 0. That's hardly inspiring.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

That's pretty much how he played as a junior. Very good when he is out by himself.

If he has no endurance though, he isn't going to be able to get into space to get any easy ball to use his kicking skills. It sounds like Vez all over again to me.

I didn't notice him this year, does anyone know if he was the sub a few times. The most kicks he got in a game was 3, and twice he recorded 0. That's hardly inspiring.

No idea if he was sub, but the numbers aren't flash. A defender who cannot defend needs to be getting it 20-30 times a game and using it well otherwise what is the point.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I thought we would have a realistic chance of picking him up as a free agent if the Suns delisted him (especially as they must reduce their list) but if they want to play funny buggers I'd get him to nominate for the PSD.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

I disagree. A defender who can't defend shouldn't be playing AFL football.

I know what you mean, but realistically, the best run/create defenders aren't usually stars at playing a lock down role too. Agree that they must have at least some competency defending, but it doesn't need to be the strongest area of their game.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I thought we would have a realistic chance of picking him up as a free agent if the Suns delisted him (especially as they must reduce their list) but if they want to play funny buggers I'd get him to nominate for the PSD.

This.

I wouldn't want to give up very much at all.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Apparently we are interested in Carlton's Casboult. A few posters have mentioned Barrett announced earlier today we put a 2 year deal in front of him.

Take it with a grain of salt.

Personally, I don't like the idea of trading for anyone because you either overpay or you get recycled list cloggers.