Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[jeemak]

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Exactly. He's the kind of player that puts it all together when things are going well and also the kind of player who throws in the towel when it gets to tough. He's mentally piss weak and $&#$+%*%(%(!!!!

It'll be one of the few highlights of the season to see him gone.

Have you had personal experiences with him? Seems like you're going pretty hard if not.

I think he's demonstrated himself to be ignorant, though otherwise is he just immature and a bit dim?

[jeemak]

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I thought Sherman was injured or suspended for much 2011.
Still did a role when playing seniors and kicked a few goals.
We over payed for him and he was never very good but his 2011 was way better than his 2012.
Pretty obvious the current coach is not a fan of the type of player he is so saying the coach failed him isn't a far stretch.
The great teacher and taskmaster now doesn't him as a pupil.

Maybe the player has not demonstrated any willingness to play the way the coach wants him to play.

I can understand a new coach coming in and trying to ingrain traits in to a players' game, and having him concentrate on those things while curtailing more prevalent attributes as part of the learning process.

If the coaching panel believes Sherman hasn't worked hard enough to change it doesn't necessarily make them bad teachers.

[G-Mo77]

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Have you had personal experiences with him? Seems like you're going pretty hard if not.

I think he's demonstrated himself to be ignorant, though otherwise is he just immature and a bit dim?

No I don't know him personally, Richard Cranium is all I edited out so I don't think that's going to hard.

[Remi Moses]

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Handy player in a good side.
Struggled at Brisbane when they struggled in 2010.
General consensus is that he doesn't play well in a crap team.

[LongWait]

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Who said stellar? I said way better than 2012

Well if you think that Sherman has played well with us, or that he has been worth pick 22, you'd be wrong. What do you think that Sherman would get for us in a trade now? He was traded for an end of first round draft pick FFS!

To blame McCartney for Sherman's output over two years is a joke and typical of the irrational blame-laying that McCartney suffers from the Eade fan-bois on here.

[LongWait]

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Played 14 games in 2011, how do you expect him to poll in a B&F? For your info until he was suspended last year he was our leader for scoring assists and 9th overall in the AFL to that point.

I know many on this forum don't rate him and that's fine. As for the coach he has it in for him as he can't crack in, but blind freddy can see he is an outside running player and the coach don't like that type.

In 2011 Sherman played the 10th most games for the club and yet polled 15th in the club best and fairest. So to make this crystal clear - only 9 players played more games than Sherman in 2011 and yet 14 players polled more B&F votes.

Can you tell me how this underachievement in 2011 is McCartney's fault?

[Remi Moses]

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In 2011 Sherman played the 10th most games for the club and yet polled 15th in the club best and fairest. So to make this crystal clear - only 9 players played more games than Sherman in 2011 and yet 14 players polled more B&F votes.

Can you tell me how this underachievement in 2011 is McCartney's fault?

Agree, he was underwhelming in 2011 after a good start.
Nothing to do with the coach

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I don't think Sherman is as bad as he's made out to be, but at the same time, I don't think McCartney is to 'blame' like a few posters keep alluding to. It's true that he has not improved in 4-5 years, it's also (seemingly) true that he isn't in McCartney's plans. He still has talent, of course.

All in all, the decision to initially recruit him with an early pick hasn't been a good one in hindsight. If you want to point fingers, perhaps Eade has some short sighted vision - but again, I don't blame him. We thought we were close to a premiership, we thought we could improve him. It made sense at the time.

What we need to work out is a) whether we are prepared to play him and put up with his faults or b) trade him out for very little - maybe a late draft pick or an upgrade in picks.

[Remi Moses]

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Well if you think that Sherman has played well with us, or that he has been worth pick 22, you'd be wrong. What do you think that Sherman would get for us in a trade now? He was traded for an end of first round draft pick FFS!

To blame McCartney for Sherman's output over two years is a joke and typical of the irrational blame-laying that McCartney suffers from the Eade fan-bois on here.

He's got a pathological dislike of McCartney.
It's irrational and pretty sad to be honest

[G-Mo77]

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All in all, the decision to initially recruit him with an early pick hasn't been a good one in hindsight. If you want to point fingers, perhaps Eade has some short sighted vision - but again, I don't blame him. We thought we were close to a premiership, we thought we could improve him. It made sense at the time.

I don't think there were to many around here who did dispute it. He was the mold of a player we needed at the time and pretty badly after we lost one of our best running players. It's a pity he turned into a pumpkin when we got here.

[Topdog]

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Don't care who is to blame (personally dont think he is a very good player) but f the coach wont play him we gotta get rid.

[LongWait]

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I don't think Sherman is as bad as he's made out to be, but at the same time, I don't think McCartney is to 'blame' like a few posters keep alluding to. It's true that he has not improved in 4-5 years, it's also (seemingly) true that he isn't in McCartney's plans. He still has talent, of course.

All in all, the decision to initially recruit him with an early pick hasn't been a good one in hindsight. If you want to point fingers, perhaps Eade has some short sighted vision - but again, I don't blame him. We thought we were close to a premiership, we thought we could improve him. It made sense at the time.

What we need to work out is a) whether we are prepared to play him and put up with his faults or b) trade him out for very little - maybe a late draft pick or an upgrade in picks.

I agree that Eade deserves no blame whatsoever for Sherman's performance and, at the time, Sherman's recruitment looked like it was a worthwhile plan.

Sherman should be held responsible for his own performance since joining the club, regardless of whether you think Justin has played reasonably well, or whether you think he has been a disappointment.

[Desipura]

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Well if you think that Sherman has played well with us, or that he has been worth pick 22, you'd be wrong. What do you think that Sherman would get for us in a trade now? He was traded for an end of first round draft pick FFS!

To blame McCartney for Sherman's output over two years is a joke and typical of the irrational blame-laying that McCartney suffers from the Eade fan-bois on here.

I agree with your comments. You make a lot of sense and give balanced views.

[LostDoggy]

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From the games that I saw, Sherman ran around the park doing his own thing. There seemed to be no structures he was adhering to and no discipline to his play. The exact opposite to the way the Swans play, for example. If he's not willing to be, or capable of, being a team player then he should be gone.

[GVGjr]

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No ones suggested he had a stellar year...however I think the point that McCartney has dealt with him wrongly has some merit. Yes, he has now had several coaches, but IIRC He wanted to leave Brisbane, not the other way round. It's not like they got rid of him.

He's been asked to adapt and hasn't. It's not like he's been asked to play in a key position that he's not physically capable of doing. With what he's been asked to do he should have been able to respond.
The problem isn't with the coach.

Rawlings had a similar issue with Eade. Rocket want him to play CHB but keep the ball moving. Rawlings simply couldn't respond and was gone 12 months later with us paying part of his salary.