Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Missing Dog]

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Looks Like We Are Very Inyerested in Koby Stevens according to sports news first

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Looks Like We Are Very Inyerested in Koby Stevens according to sports news first

From a personal perspective, I would be delighted to secure Stevens.

From a team perspective, I am not sure he's what we need/where he fits in.

[jeemak]

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We would need to trade for him and I think the Pies would want a lot for him.
Do we have any players we could realistically trade?

I think the Pies might look at bolstering ruck stocks, so Roughead might seem attractive to them.

Would Roughead and a second or third rounder get it done?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I think the Pies might look at bolstering ruck stocks, so Roughead might seem attractive to them.

Would Roughead and a second or third rounder get it done?

I rate Wellingham, but would you really trade Roughead for him?

That would be a huge blow to us IMO.

[Missing Dog]

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Is Jacobs any different to Howard?

Jacobs is much more of a natural footballer (footy smart) and is far more superior in the air. They do have some similarities though.

I don't think I would be prepared to pay our 2nd round pick for him, I've never really been a fan of his. I don't see him being anything more then a solid footballer.

[Missing Dog]

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I think the Pies might look at bolstering ruck stocks, so Roughead might seem attractive to them.

Would Roughead and a second or third rounder get it done?

I think that would be a disaster.

Maybe for Sherman I'd do it, but I kinda agree with azabob. Not sure he's what we need.

[azabob]

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I think the Pies might look at bolstering ruck stocks, so Roughead might seem attractive to them.

Would Roughead and a second or third rounder get it done?

I rate Wellingham, but would you really trade Roughead for him?

That would be a huge blow to us IMO.

Agree, I wouldn't even really be entertaining him to be honest.

[jeemak]

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I rate Wellingham, but would you really trade Roughead for him?

That would be a huge blow to us IMO.

Jacobs is much more of a natural footballer (footy smart) and is far more superior in the air. They do have some similarities though.

I don't think I would be prepared to pay our 2nd round pick for him, I've never really been a fan of his. I don't see him being anything more then a solid footballer.

I think that would be a disaster.

Maybe for Sherman I'd do it, but I kinda agree with azabob. Not sure he's what we need.

Agree, I wouldn't even really be entertaining him to be honest.

I think we need to be realistic with what we would have to give up to get him across, and with that we need to try and match what we potentially have a surplus of and what the Pies don't.

My personal view is that Roughead will be a vital cog in our side as a ruckman, though we also have Cordy and Campbell developing while Will moves through the latter stages of his career, so he might be deemed as expendable if some quality was going to come on to the list as a result.

The Pies are going to want someone of quality for Wellingham, and Roughead fills a need for them. I don't necessarily rate Wellingham, though I'm realistic about what it will take to get him.

Putting Sherman on the table is plain foolishness. Why would the Pies go for him?

[azabob]

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The Pies are going to want someone of quality for Wellingham, and Roughead fills a need for them. I don't necessarily rate Wellingham, though I'm realistic about what it will take to get him.

Fair points, I honestly don't think we should chase him, I can't see him helping us progress up the ladder.

[jeemak]

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Fair points, I honestly don't think we should chase him, I can't see him helping us progress up the ladder.

Not by himself, no. But he'd be handy as part of the midfield mix.

We're not going to be able to find perfect footballers to play through our midfield, as much as we'd like to of course, even with high draft picks. Our high draft picks are all going to have areas in which they need to improve, and if they become capable of contributing 200 games of senior football then we'll need to be pretty happy with that. Wellingham has attributes our side is short on, and plenty of those attributes are most likely to be sufficient to see him contribute to any side he plays in for many years to come.

I do believe he would assist our club in moving up the ladder as part of a collective. I'm just concerned we'll end up losing a player like Roughead for him, and possibly more.

[Missing Dog]

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I think we need to be realistic with what we would have to give up to get him across, and with that we need to try and match what we potentially have a surplus of and what the Pies don't.

My personal view is that Roughead will be a vital cog in our side as a ruckman, though we also have Cordy and Campbell developing while Will moves through the latter stages of his career, so he might be deemed as expendable if some quality was going to come on to the list as a result.

The Pies are going to want someone of quality for Wellingham, and Roughead fills a need for them. I don't necessarily rate Wellingham, though I'm realistic about what it will take to get him.

Putting Sherman on the table is plain foolishness. Why would the Pies go for him?

I know my suggestion was a bit silly, fair enough. I just wonder what great need Wellingham fills for us and Is that trade worth it for us? I don't think so. He's fast and pretty hard at it but his skills won't help our already poor delivery.

Don't get me wrong, he will improve our side, but at what cost.

[jeemak]

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Well being fast and hard at it (as well as being able to find the ball) is a good place to start. I've not noticed his skills being particularly bad, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong on that. As a late bloomer I think he could potentially still improve as well.

If there are other players out there that could be traded in with potentially six or seven years of senior football ahead of them, that fill an age gap in our list who have pace, excellent skills, are hard at it and can find the ball then great. In the time between now and when clubs finally decide to start giving players with all of those attributes up I'll be prepared to compromise on particular attributes of players to bring them in and change the dynamics of our list.

Anyway, the trade I suggested wasn't necessarily one I'd condone being completed, rather I just think Collingwood are likely to ask a lot for him.

[Missing Dog]

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I understand those types of players (skillfull, pacey etc.) don't grow on trees. I'd rather just look to the draft rather then trade in a player like Wellingham for the moment.

[jeemak]

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That's fair enough.

I suppose I'm concerned about us not having many of them who are ready to go on our list between now and when any potential draftees become ready to play senior football.

We have a very strong core of inside players now, though this will be depleted somewhat with Boyd and Cross deteriorating over the next couple of years meaning if players like Wallis, Smith and Liberatore don't develop like they look like developing or becoming injured we're not going to be as dominant in that area. This will result in the current weaknesses in our list structure becoming more exposed.

[Bulldog Joe]

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I think the Pies might look at bolstering ruck stocks, so Roughead might seem attractive to them.

Would Roughead and a second or third rounder get it done?

Can't see McCartney allowing Roughead to be traded. He has identified him as our long term replacement for Brian Lake.