Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

BJ I must say you surprised me with your post suggesting Campbell could become a better ruck man in the future and that he is already a better mark.
When you suggested you would look at trading Minson I nearly fell off my chair!
I thought you were in the we must keep Minson at all costs camp.

If we could somehow trade Minson we would put ourselves in a very strong draft position which may give us access to one of the best 17yo in the land.

Desi
I certainly acknowledge that I have always been a Minson supporter and his performances this year are in line with my expectation.

While Hudson was a terrific player for us, he held back Minson and Rocket tried to make Will a key forward when he clearly never had the marking hands for that. Hudson was also deficient in the marking area.

I do see Campbell as being better long term, but any trading of Minson is certainly not something I would advocate now.

With Will we either re-sign and keep him ar we lose him as a free agent. Talk of re-signing to trade him is just ridiculous. Why would he agree to that?

Personally I see Campbell learning about the bash and crash of ruckwork over the next 2 to 3 seasons as Minson's understudy and then being ready to take on the main mantle.

I would be happy to trade Will out at that point, but only if Campbell or perhaps Cordy/Roughead were showing they could take on the role effectively.

[Bornadog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Desi
I certainly acknowledge that I have always been a Minson supporter and his performances this year are in line with my expectation.

While Hudson was a terrific player for us, he held back Minson and Rocket tried to make Will a key forward when he clearly never had the marking hands for that. Hudson was also deficient in the marking area.

I do see Campbell as being better long term, but any trading of Minson is certainly not something I would advocate now.

With Will we either re-sign and keep him ar we lose him as a free agent. Talk of re-signing to trade him is just ridiculous. Why would he agree to that?

Personally I see Campbell learning about the bash and crash of ruckwork over the next 2 to 3 seasons as Minson's understudy and then being ready to take on the main mantle.

I would be happy to trade Will out at that point, but only if Campbell or perhaps Cordy/Roughead were showing they could take on the role effectively.

Good Post BJ
We now have the number one ruckman in the AFL, a guy that loves playing for the dogs, who is passionate and gives 100% every time, yet people want to trade him out for an unknown pick.

[always right]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Good Post BJ
We now have the number one ruckman in the AFL, a guy that loves playing for the dogs, who is passionate and gives 100% every time, yet people want to trade him out for an unknown pick.

Maybe there are stats that support this but as terrific as Will has been this season there is no way known he would be rated above Cox and/or Natanui IMO....and some would argue the mullet has has also had a better season at Richmond.

Having said that, I'm a Minson fan and would hate to see him leave. For a start I would have to buy my daughter a new number.

[Maddog37]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Jolly is pretty handy too. Mumford goes ok, sandilands is not too bad, Goldstein is alright.


I would prefer all of these to Minno everything being equal.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Good Post BJ
We now have the number one ruckman in the AFL, a guy that loves playing for the dogs, who is passionate and gives 100% every time, yet people want to trade him out for an unknown pick.

We all love Will, but... Give me a break

[Eastdog]

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Jolly is pretty handy too. Mumford goes ok, sandilands is not too bad, Goldstein is alright.


I would prefer all of these to Minno everything being equal.

How about Macintosh from North as well.

[Maddog37]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Too injury prone. Nicnat would be ok too I suppose.

[Bornadog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Better than Cox? Wouldn't think so

He has had a poor season in the ruck averaging only 25 hitouts per game compared to 32 from Will.

Jolly is pretty handy too. Mumford goes ok, sandilands is not too bad, Goldstein is alright. I would prefer all of these to Minno everything being equal.

Sandlinads and Mumford haven't played much this year. Jolly is up there with Will on average hitouts.

How about Macintosh from North as well.

Played 7 games this year

Too injury prone. Nicnat would be ok too I suppose.

Still learning but will be a superstar.

[Eastdog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

He has had a poor season in the ruck averaging only 25 hitouts per game compared to 32 from Will.



Sandlinads and Mumford haven't played much this year. Jolly is up there with Will on average hitouts.



[/B]Played 7 games this year[/B]



Still learning but will be a superstar.

That's what I mean. He has struggled to get into the Kangaroos first team and he is a quality player I think.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Hitouts can mean didily squat honestly.
Comparing Cox and Minson is like comparing our Forwards to Buddy Franlkin, honestly.
Yeah Will's had his best year but he's nowhere near the best ruck .

[Eastdog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Hitouts can mean didily squat honestly.
Comparing Cox and Minson is like comparing our Forwards to Buddy Franlkin, honestly.
Yeah Will's had his best year but he's nowhere near the best ruck .

Have to agree with that. Cox is miles ahead of Minson who apart from this year has struggled as Hudson was ahead of him in the pecking order.

[azabob]

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No rookie is obligated to accept a rookie position.

Absolutely he could turn us down and enter the draft.

If we want Campbell in our long term plans we need to elevate him, if we don't, keep him as a rookie and run the risk of him moving on, which I think would be very high.

[G-Mo77]

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If we want Campbell in our long term plans we need to elevate him, if we don't, keep him as a rookie and run the risk of him moving on, which I think would be very high.

He'll be chased hard by other clubs if he's not tied down. I think we've locked him up though. It's been said around here a few times that he has a contract for 2013 and beyond.

[LongWait]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

To leave Campbell on the rookie list is akin to delisting him - Campbell will gain a lot of interest from other clubs and we will lose him this year or next. He is ours to keep if we want and we should protect and secure what is and will continue to be an appreciating asset. Busines 101 and good football list management as well.

[GVGjr]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

To leave Campbell on the rookie list is akin to delisting him - Campbell will gain a lot of interest from other clubs and we will lose him this year or next. He is ours to keep if we want and we should protect and secure what is and will continue to be an appreciating asset. Busines 101 and good football list management as well.

Whilst I have some doubts over the value Campbell can offer us I don't think having him on a senior list poses us any problems. I tend to think we are better having him than trying to find another back-up ruckman.