Who gets delisted?

**1eyedog** · 19-10-2011, 09:38 PM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by azabob

Isn't Barlow's greatest strength is his fitness and ability to run out games?

He looked positively knackered at the end of some of the games he played last season, maybe it's because he works so hard, although I failed to see the fruit of those efforts.

**LostDoggy** · 19-10-2011, 10:00 PM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by bornadog

Lee Brown is now an assistant coach at Melbourne I think.

Sorry I wasn't very clear. I was Comparing O'hailpin to Brown. Both not overly talented but if competitive these types of players fill a role. Our forward line will probably be fairly green next year and an old pack splitter that can pinch in the ruck might be valuable

**Mofra** · 20-10-2011, 09:28 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by 1eyedog

He looked positively knackered at the end of some of the games he played last season, maybe it's because he works so hard, although I failed to see the fruit of those efforts.

Because he works hard- he does get to alot of contests.
He is the only player on our list that can beat Cross in the endurance timetrial - to suggest he needs work on his fitness is like saying Boyd needs to take football more seriously.

**The Underdog** · 20-10-2011, 09:30 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Does anyone doubt that with our history of rookie promotions over the last couple of years that Barlow will be promoted? I don't agree with it but I'll be astounded given we promoted Hooper and Mulligan on less.
I just hope it's not at the expense of Panos.

**Bornadog** · 20-10-2011, 09:50 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by elephant_man

Sorry I wasn't very clear. I was Comparing O'hailpin to Brown. Both not overly talented but if competitive these types of players fill a role. Our forward line will probably be fairly green next year and an old pack splitter that can pinch in the ruck might be valuable

Sorry, I misunderstood and understand your point. Can Minson play this role when he is resting. Minson should become our Leigh Brown.

**The Underdog** · 20-10-2011, 09:55 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by bornadog

Sorry, I misunderstood and understand your point. Can Minson play this role when he is resting. Minson should become our Leigh Brown.

Brown was more versatile than Minson though. I'm not sure Minson adds much value as a forward, and despite his size I don't think he particularly intimidates anyone. Minson playing forward screams out to be exploited by the opposition as far as I'm concerned.

**soupman** · 20-10-2011, 10:01 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by bornadog

Sorry, I misunderstood and understand your point. Can Minson play this role when he is resting. Minson should become our Leigh Brown.

I think we've tried that already though. We've seen that Minson struggles as a forward who spends brief periods in the ruck, which is the role Leigh Brown played. Next year is our chance to see if he can do it the other way around, playing as a ruck who ocassionally rests forward.

**Bornadog** · 20-10-2011, 10:06 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by soupaman

I think we've tried that already though. We've seen that Minson struggles as a forward who spends brief periods in the ruck, which is the role Leigh Brown played. Next year is our chance to see if he can do it the other way around, playing as a ruck who ocassionally rests forward.

I think thats what I said, so we agree

**1eyedog** · 20-10-2011, 10:51 PM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by Mofra

Because he works hard- he does get to alot of contests.
He is the only player on our list that can beat Cross in the endurance timetrial - to suggest he needs work on his fitness is like saying Boyd needs to take football more seriously.

Fair enough.

**jeemak** · 20-10-2011, 11:27 PM

Re: Who gets delisted?

It's funny how a player's reputation can change depending on how their team has gone for the year, who they happen to be competing for spots with or playing alongside and how they might be used by the coaching staff.

Here's a link that might make you consider the value added by Leigh Brown in the forward/ruckman role versus Will Minson in the ruckman/forward role. I've chosen their best years in these respective positions, which for Brown was 2010 and for Minson was 2008:

Leigh Brown and Will Minson AFL Stats Comparison

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=5&pid1=142&tid2=8&pid2=1421&type=T&fid1=P&fopt1=2010&fid2=P&fopt2=2008

Leigh Brown and Will Minson AFL Stats Comparison.

Key points for mine are goals kicked (Brown 21, Minson 19), hitouts (Brown 93, Minson 313) and tackles (Brown 78, Minson 58). Mark stats (Brown 86, Minson 88) probably don't differentiate between those taken up the ground in the ruckby Minson, versus those setting up goals in the forward line by Brown.

I'd argue that Minson probably caught a few sides by surprise up forward in 2008, and they learned to counter his effectiveness over the following two or three years. With our game style moving to a less free flowing one in 2009 and beyond he was also facing one or two more defenders to deal with in 2009. Barry arriving in 2010 didn't help his cause as a target either.

What made Brown so effective last year was his defensive pressure, and due to his extra mobility compared to Minson he was extremely valuable to the Pies when they perfected their forward defensive strategy and learned to attack through it. This is an area where he was far superior to Minson.

Minson isn't a slouch up forward, he just relies on quick ball movement and plenty of forward entries. He's not going to get that in 2012, so can't be relied upon to kick goals for us, beyond what a standard ruckman might be able to.

He might contribute one goal a game if lucky, but that doesn't mean he won't still make a quality ruckman over the coming years.

Get the ball movement right, and the frequency of forward entry right then just about any tall lugg with half an ounce of ability can be effective.

**Mantis** · 21-10-2011, 08:42 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Herald Sun reporting that Stack will probably get delisted, but Addison will stay on... I would be swapping these 2.

No word on Mulligan.

**Mofra** · 21-10-2011, 09:16 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

If we are talking about our equivalent to Leigh Brown, I would have though Roughead is a better candidate than Minson.
Roughy is a better mark and looks more dangerous forward, and a Minson/Roughy Combo I'd have Minson doing the bulk of the ruckwork (70% +) and have Roughy play as a tall forward offering ruck relief.

**Desipura** · 21-10-2011, 09:20 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by Mantis

Herald Sun reporting that Stack will probably get delisted, but Addison will stay on... I would be swapping these 2.

No word on Mulligan.

Agree especially now that McCartney is with us. He likes players with a harder edge.

**The Underdog** · 21-10-2011, 09:49 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by Desipura

Agree especially now that McCartney is with us. He likes players with a harder edge.

You'd be keeping Stack for his harder edge?
Edit - Sorry thought you were agreeing with Mantis, but guess you're agreeing with the keeping of DFA and the purge of Stack

**Bulldog Revolution** · 21-10-2011, 10:20 AM

Re: Who gets delisted?

Originally posted by Mantis

Herald Sun reporting that Stack will probably get delisted, but Addison will stay on... I would be swapping these 2.

No word on Mulligan.

Perhaps done more on attitude and application

I am wondering if McCartney can do for Addison what the Bombers did for Sam Lonergan this year - thoughts?

I'd always thought Lonergan was a good ordinary footballer but they got some real impact out of him this year until injured

To be fair to Addison after making significant strides in 2010 did not get many opportunities this year. He played 4 games and never two in a row.

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