Who gets delisted?

[Bulldog Revolution]

Re: Who gets delisted?

My main concern with Dylan is his lack of pace, agility and awareness which are all traits which are holding him back in terms of being a regular senior player and a good contributor at that.

Lonergan has a bit of toe and has some agility which make him useful around the ball and I don't think this comparison is fair.

I guess we know what we will get from Addison (hardness, competitive) which makes him useful as player number 30 on the list, but I don't think that's enough to keep him on-board.

I accept your views on Dylands pace and agility, and I've listened when you've said it previously, but I cant say its really something that stands out on the ground to me. He never looks blistering but he's always looked quick enough to play.

I didn't think the athletic comparison with Lonergan was that far off the mark - I don't think either are lightning quick, nor slow.

I think Dylans issues are making a position or role within the team his, and confidence. That said I'm not entirely sure what is a great role for him.

I dont think that he is a confident enough ball user to play as a small defender. Does he win enough of it to be a midfielder? Is the defensive small forward his best hope?

I like him in terms of effort but I'm unsure what the future holds and was merely wondering what McCartney's plan might have a plan to remake him.

[GVGjr]

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Lets not pretend Setanta is some great player just because we havent seen his deficiencies up close like we have with Minson. Minson/Roughhead combo will do just as well close to goal as him.

I'm not sure why you're reading significantly more into what people are saying about him but along the way, most are acknowledging his deficiencies. I've not reading anything that resembles anyone is saying he's great.
He meets a few of our needs for the next 2 years ie taking a spell in the ruck and providing a physical presence up forward.

[Greystache]

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I accept your views on Dylands pace and agility, and I've listened when you've said it previously, but I cant say its really something that stands out on the ground to me. He never looks blistering but he's always looked quick enough to play.

I didn't think the athletic comparison with Lonergan was that far off the mark - I don't think either are lightning quick, nor slow.

I think Dylans issues are making a position or role within the team his, and confidence. That said I'm not entirely sure what is a great role for him.

I dont think that he is a confident enough ball user to play as a small defender. Does he win enough of it to be a midfielder? Is the defensive small forward his best hope?

I like him in terms of effort but I'm unsure what the future holds and was merely wondering what McCartney's plan might have a plan to remake him.

I think Addison's best position is as a forward. He's strong overhead, is a reliable set shot for goal, will scrap hard to keep the ball inside forward 50m, and will be accountable to his opponent on the rebound.

He may well not make it as an AFL player, but I'd like to see him given at least an extended run. Our previous coach wasn't big on finding roles for players who didn't fit neatly in a box, hopefully McCartney can get more out of Dylan.

[1eyedog]

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My main concern with Dylan is his lack of pace, agility and awareness which are all traits which are holding him back in terms of being a regular senior player and a good contributor at that.

Lonergan has a bit of toe and has some agility which make him useful around the ball and I don't think this comparison is fair.

I guess we know what we will get from Addison (hardness, competitive) which makes him useful as player number 30 on the list, but I don't think that's enough to keep him on-board.

I agree, I would rather we draft Urquart and have a crack at him than persist with a player who, as you say, lacks pace, agility and awareness.

The team benefitted, but how did Jones and Grant benefit? 70% of our forward entries were directed to Hall, and Hall prevented Grant from playing FF which I believe his his natural position.

I dont think we will see Jones at FF or in the ruck next year, regardless - CHF up the ground is his best position.

I disagree. I think we will see Jones play deep forward. I think BMac will recognise Jones' ability to take strong contested marks and play forward. CHF are more suited to lead up types (except perhaps J. Brown) and I would rather see Grant use his speed across half forward along with smaller forwards than see Jones continually get get pushed under high balls 50-70 metres out from goal. Jones does not have a tank for the modwern CHF position. Let's not feed Jones to the Wolves outside 50 just yet. I think his best football is inside 50 where he can use his contested marking ability to advantage (too bad the lad can't kick).

I think Setanta would offer 2 very big positives.

* Marking power: I'm not saying he's Wayne Carey, just saying he's tall and he's a strong contested mark, we have very little in this area.

* Backup ruck option: With Hudson gone, our options are Minson and/or Roughead. If Roughie can't command a dual role as forward/ruck then we may not be able to have both in the side. Setanta could enable having just the 1 of them and not being too tall/slow.

Negatives:
* can't kick: Jones already struggles to kick the ball, add Setanta, and an inconsistent and bizarre looking Grant, not much confidence in those 3 to kick clutch goals.


Worth a look though, guess it depends on what the new coach's plans are.

Setanta couldn't catch a cold, the ball alaways seems to fall into his hands, still, he will be a useful decoy for our developing forwards. He will get smashed in the ruck but behind Minson I agree that we have nothing but a 6'8 feather in Roughead.

[stefoid]

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And if one of Minson/Roughead breaks down then what?

If we need a depth player, then do a 'marcovic' and pick a younger mature rookie that could possibly have a future. There must be a 22/23 yo 2nd tier player out there that would do at least as good a job as Setanta but have possible improvement in them.

Cox entered the system for similar reasons in a a similar way.

We arent going for a premiership so if someone breaks down, we make do - play Prato if he is still around, or whoever we replace him on the rookie list with.

Its just not the right time to be adding 28yo hacks to the list.

[Greystache]

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So, Harbrow, Higgins, Stack and Hill off half back, Murphy at CHF, Gilbee at HFF, Ward as a high HF, Cross as a tagger, and Everitt everywhere on the damn park weren't enough for you? I think you're selling Eade very short with that description. The funny thing is I seem to remember Dylan being trialled as a forward last year with uninspiring results.

Harbrow- gone
Higgins- a couple of games in defence before going back to his unaccountable forward role
Stack- going
Hill- gone
Murphy- playing back in defence
Gilbee- 2 games forward, one successful then straight back to defence. Should be gone
Ward- High half forward is just another midfielder
Cross- has tagged on and off his whole career
Everitt- gone

Hardly a compelling list.

Not sure where you were during the 2010 preliminary final, Dylan was very good, it's also the last time he played forward.

[Bornadog]

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Answers in bold
Overall your charge that Eade didn't try to find a role for players in the team is blatantly wrong. What you would have been right about was that Rodney did not keep players in those roles long enough. But then again his persistence with Stack, Hill, Everitt and Harbrow can't be completely ignored. It wasn't Rocket's fault that Harbrow left and the other three were just not up to it.
And, really 10 disposals a goal and one tackle is a good game? I was there and I remember thinking he wasn't our worst but certainly wasn't good. Mitch Hahn had a better game and we delisted him. Maybe Dylan should be trialled forward (again) but I'd hardly be using that game as a reason.

Lets face it, you can try Addison in any role you want but he is just not up to AFL standard.

[soupman]

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Yeah but I can see what Greystache is trying to say in that Dylan has some AFL qualities, i.e., he has very good hands overhead, can kick a goal and is tough and hard in the contest. The problem is that when he gets to AFL level he is way too inconsistent and probably didn't get enough continuity of game time under Eade.

But his weaknesses are becoming more apparent as the game evolves. ATM his decision making is too slow and poor, and he struggles to impact the game enough in any roles given thus far. He's probably too slow to play the defensive forward type, too badly skilled to be a danger coming out of defence, and unable to get enough of it to have an impact in the middle. If we keep him it'll be interesting to see if he can overcome these deficiencies to be a servicable player for us.

[Mofra]

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Yeah but I can see what Greystache is trying to say in that Dylan has some AFL qualities, i.e., he has very good hands overhead, can kick a goal and is tough and hard in the contest. The problem is that when he gets to AFL level he is way too inconsistent and probably didn't get enough continuity of game time under Eade.

I think the main problem is that he is being tried in every position except the one thing he can do at AFL level - play as an inside midfielder.
We have too many inside mids in front of him.
I don't think he's not up to the task; I think he is, sadly, surplus to our needs as others are in front of him.

[Ghost Dog]

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I think the main problem is that he is being tried in every position except the one thing he can do at AFL level - play as an inside midfielder.
We have too many inside mids in front of him.
I don't think he's not up to the task; I think he is, sadly, surplus to our needs as others are in front of him.

New coach, might just find his fortunes change. Who knows.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Goes to ground to often for mine. He has a crack, but his skill level is not AFL Standard.

[jazzadogs]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Don't our delistings need to be announced by today. Despite our hypothesising, there hasn't been anything official from the club yet?

[G-Mo77]

Re: Who gets delisted?

Nope nothing yet.

Stack looks to be the only one.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Who gets delisted?

After today, when is the NEXT date for delistings??

[The Coon Dog]

Re: Who gets delisted?

After today, when is the NEXT date for delistings??

Found this on the AFL website:

Key 2011 Draft Dates