Match Committee - Round 2 vs Adelaide

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Anyways back to the thread topic, after re-watching the game i'd make 2 changes

Out: Howard, Roughy
In:Griffen, Cordy

I thought we were too small up forward so I would still have Roughead in. One of the small forwards to go and be replaced by Cordy. Who could play back if needed. Which gives us more flexibility. If not Cordy then Panos.

[stefoid]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

He's played 7 games, and he is no longer the 'top dog' in terms of being the ball winner like he was at Calder. Different players adjust differently to moving up to the significantly higher level. When Boyd and Cross are getting it 70 times between them - there's only so much footy to go around. And Libba appears to have been more suited to the step up so far.

I don't think you can label him with 'significant deficiencies' after 7 games of AFL footy.

Its not how many times he gets it with Wally Jnr, its what he does with it thats the main issue. He turns it over.

I agree with greystache - DJ, Sherman or Tutt will offer something different to a midfield that is already groaning with one-paced bulldozers. I think the development of the TEAM demands we field a more balanced midfield.

Wallis will develop well enough at williamstown this year, and having less pressure on him may be good for him to add some flair to his game.

[Mofra]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

I thought we were too small up forward so I would still have Roughead in. One of the small forwards to go and be replaced by Cordy. Who could play back if needed. Which gives us more flexibility. If not Cordy then Panos.

Does that rob us of run though?

West Coast spread from the contests and ran the ball through us, another tall in the F50 doesn't really address our main issue.

[1eyedog]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Was DJ best for Willy with Cordy 2nd?

Out:
Howard, Addison

In:
Griffen, Vez

Tempted with Cordy but we were out-run today, Cordy won't help with that.

Marko certainly didn't help. I would substitute Marko for Cordy and play Cordy on Tippett, find out some things about Cordy. Tippet could kick as many on Marko's inability to read the ball through the air as he could using his strength advantage against cordy.

Griff and Sherman to come in to add the run you're talking about at the expense of Howard and Addison. I'd leave Grant in.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Does that rob us of run though?

West Coast spread from the contests and ran the ball through us, another tall in the F50 doesn't really address our main issue.

Do all forwards play in the middle? As all don't I don't see your point. Coast have 4 tall forwards so the reverse question applies. Why did they have more run with less mids. Simply they were fitter and quicker across the board and that makes it look like we need more players in the middle when simply the guys in there couldn't keep up. They also had a mid as there sub.

Another question. What happens if a tall back goes down? who plays on there talls then? We desperately need a utility type who can switch ends when needed.

[always right]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Marko certainly didn't help. I would substitute Marko for Cordy and play Cordy on Tippett, find out some things about Cordy. Tippet could kick as many on Marko's inability to read the ball through the air as he could using his strength advantage against cordy.

Griff and Sherman to come in to add the run you're talking about at the expense of Howard and Addison. I'd leave Grant in.

Lake normally plays on Tippett and I expect the same again this weekend.

[Ozza]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Anyways back to the thread topic, after re-watching the game i'd make 2 changes

Out: Howard, Roughy
In:Griffen, Cordy

Glad you're on board with this one Slim. Roughy is very frustrating in recent times. I can handle him being outclassed or out-hussled by superior ruckman - but get the big frame in the way of some other bodies occasionally Roughy!

[chef]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

I thought we were too small up forward so I would still have Roughead in. One of the small forwards to go and be replaced by Cordy. Who could play back if needed. Which gives us more flexibility. If not Cordy then Panos.

How does Roughead help us get bigger up forward as he offers us nothing there.

[Ozza]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Its not how many times he gets it with Wally Jnr, its what he does with it thats the main issue. He turns it over.

Wallis will develop well enough at williamstown this year, and having less pressure on him may be good for him to add some flair to his game.

I can only remember one bad blunder on the weekend - and it was an inside 50 kick. And to be fair - Jones was orginally about 20 out for goal - and by the time Wallis kicked - Jones took off on the lead - so it was unfortunate.

[SlimPickens]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Glad you're on board with this one Slim. Roughy is very frustrating in recent times. I can handle him being outclassed or out-hussled by superior ruckman - but get the big frame in the way of some other bodies occasionally Roughy!

The one incident (of many) that really stood, was the lack of body contact on Nic Nat in the goal square. He lined him up for a bump and missed completely, this was bad enough as he should have tackled in the first place and his physicality was completely misplaced. He has a big frame and he needs to use it.

The other thing noted was his unwillingness to put himself in an effective position whether attacking or defensive as part of our structure, this may be partly to do with his engine but he needs to work on it.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

How does Roughead help us get bigger up forward as he offers us nothing there.

Disagree. He definatively had a bad game against West Coast however he looked very good against Geelong the week before. Not everyone is a Nic Nat walk in and play tall. Roughy is a more traditionally (read frustratingly) developing tall and he still needs time. We need to get games into him and he'll sometimes hit and sometimes miss. I think we'll see he's at least a 150 gamer. And whilst I say he's no Nic Nat nor is he an Ilija Grgic either....

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

How does Roughead help us get bigger up forward as he offers us nothing there.

At-least read the whole post.

Originally Posted by Asylum Ward
I thought we were too small up forward so I would still have Roughead in. One of the small forwards to go and be replaced by Cordy. Who could play back if needed. Which gives us more flexibility. If not Cordy then Panos.

Roughead to stay as Ruck/Forward.

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

We will struggle while we have a 'best 22" mentality. Case in point - it's not 'who' we want at FF, but 'how' we want that position played. Lead up 190-193cm type, or a 200cm tall. We lack speed up forward - to many 184cm-ish medium paced guys that all play the same role (Gia, Dickson, Smith, Higgins), and only one genuine speedster.(D-haus). Need two. We need two key forwards, not one and a ruckman. I'd play Minson, Roughead and Cordy, Cordy at FF. Adelaide rotate Tippett through the midfield so we only need two key defenders. (Needed three last week - and we waste Shaggy as the 3rd tall defender year in-year out).
We need to be analysing our needs as far as structures go first, then put names to roles.

The team I would like to see this week -
Back six - Lake, Markovic, Hargrave, Addison, Wood, Murphy,
Midfield - Minson, Cross, Libratore, Boyd, Cooney, Griffin
Fwds - Jones, Cordy, DJ, Dalhaus, Gia, Roughead
Int - Higgins, Wallis, Picken, Smith,
Ins - Cordy, Griffin, DJ
Out - Dickson, Howard, Grant.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

I thought it was probably his best game for the club, having said that I still think he should go back to Willi this week.

The problem is he's a player type we just have too many of at the moment, and of that player type he's producing the least (eg Boyd, Cross, Libba, Smith). The team is unbalanced and we need more run, and while giving young players game time and developing them is important, we can't have an unbalanced team where some players are having to play a role that doesn't suit them, eg Boyd trying to drill passes into the forward line.

If we're going to take a purely developmental approach we have to look to give players like Wallis game time in front of players who deserve it more. Personally I can't see a new coach taking that approach after 1 round of footy.

There is a tendency now to push young players up to quickly. Smith and Liberatore look stronger inside players and as such would be in front of Wallis at the moment. I think Wallis will eventually become a good player but may need more time. Both DJ and Sherman would add pace to our team which isn't quick enough amongst our midfielders. The run and efficiency of Griffen was sadly missing last week, which wasn't helped by Boyd's only 30 % effectiveness.

[JohnGentStand]

Re: Match Committe- Round 2 vs Adelaide

Ins, Griffen . Cordy
Outs, Howard . Roughy
I thought Roughy was in our worst 3 , with Marko & Wood
Not many posters want to drop Wood but he was bloody aweful on Sunday. I dont think he can stay in @ 1/2 back for much longer.