Match Committee - Round 2 vs Adelaide

[Bornadog]

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Why not? We wont need another inside mid in the team next year while we have Boyd, Libba and one of the other young up and comers. More so because he isn't fast and his disposal is not great and I reckon there will a knock on the door next year.

He would struggle to get a senior game in a top four side and our history shows we hang on to the "old favourites" for too long.

Because he still racks up 30 disposals per game and is under 30 years old and brings alot of value to the side.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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There is no way we will see the end of Cross. Book mark this.!!

In a way I hope your right, but that really depends on the guys like Wallis, DJ, Sherman & Moles. If they come on and but pressure on him anything could be possible. If they don't apply themselves and he is still on the list they don't deserve a game.

That being said if Cross left we would have a very inexperienced midfield group with most under 50 games.

[LostDoggy]

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And gets out run by big slow ruckmen and KPP's. It happened again last week against West Coast ..... and remember the final against Collingwood and Leigh Brown out sprinting him!

I dont care about how many possessions he gets .... it is what he does with them that is important .... and that is the difference between the Bulldogs and the other contenders in recent years.

[The Coon Dog]

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I think he may be OK based on his age and also the fact that he is not on much cash.

At the end of this year I think we will see the end of Cross, Gilbee, Hooper & Addison. Also with Murphy, Cooney & Hargrave there bodies may well about had enough by years end.

Didn't he sign a 2 year extension in the off season?

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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Didn't he sign a 2 year extension in the off season?

I do not know but if he did, good luck to him, he is a smart businessman. The young kids would need to improve fair bit to push Cross out of the side on current form.

[AndrewP6]

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Didn't he sign a 2 year extension in the off season?

Yep, last September I believe, along with Boyd.

[Mantis]

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Yep, last September I believe, along with Boyd.

Cross & Gia signed for 2 years... after we had said that we would be pushing for 1 year deals.

Boyd signed for 3 years... after we had said that we would be pushing for a 2 year deal.

[G-Mo77]

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And gets out run by big slow ruckmen and KPP's. It happened again last week against West Coast ..... and remember the final against Collingwood and Leigh Brown out sprinting him!

I dont care about how many possessions he gets .... it is what he does with them that is important .... and that is the difference between the Bulldogs and the other contenders in recent years.

Anyone can get run down when they are slowing down to kick the ball. Cross is not good by foot and is also slow by foot with his delivery like Boyd is. You'll see them run down again a few times before the end of their careers.

I still think Cross is a valuable player in this team though but I do get were you are coming from.

[soupman]

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I think he may be OK based on his age and also the fact that he is not on much cash.

At the end of this year I think we will see the end of Cross, Gilbee, Hooper & Addison. Also with Murphy, Cooney & Hargrave there bodies may well about had enough by years end.

Can't agree on Cross, Addison, Murphy, Cooney or Hargrave.

Cross is contracted for 2013.
Addison hasn't done a thing wrong this season and looks like he'll spend most of the year in our best 22 under BMac.
Murphy was AA last year, is an established member of our best 22 and has just been elevated to the leadership group again.
Cooney is not yet 30, at his best is elite and I can't imagine is the type to want to rush into retirement.
Hargrave is comfortably in our best 22.

I do concede your point regarding their bodies, but aside from a Scott West style injury I can't see the club not giving them another year to try and get their body right.

I see the ones in the gun as:
Gilbee, has had poor form and injury issues.
Hooper, is not AFL quality at all.
Mulligan, see Hooper.
Veszpremi, needs to start performing at AFL level. Been in the system long enough.
Tutt, has had injury early but if he fails to play atleast semiregularly be seasons end could find himself unemployed.
Skinner, talented but needs to start showing he can do it at AFL level.
DJ, see Veszpremi.
Hill, see Skinner.
Moles, see Veszpremi.
Panos, see Skinner.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Can't agree on Cross, Addison, Murphy, Cooney or Hargrave.

Cross is contracted for 2013.
Addison hasn't done a thing wrong this season and looks like he'll spend most of the year in our best 22 under BMac.
Murphy was AA last year, is an established member of our best 22 and has just been elevated to the leadership group again.
Cooney is not yet 30, at his best is elite and I can't imagine is the type to want to rush into retirement.
Hargrave is comfortably in our best 22.

I do concede your point regarding their bodies, but aside from a Scott West style injury I can't see the club not giving them another year to try and get their body right.

I see the ones in the gun as:
Gilbee, has had poor form and injury issues.
Hooper, is not AFL quality at all.
Mulligan, see Hooper.
Veszpremi, needs to start performing at AFL level. Been in the system long enough.
Tutt, has had injury early but if he fails to play atleast semiregularly be seasons end could find himself unemployed.
Skinner, talented but needs to start showing he can do it at AFL level.
DJ, see Veszpremi.
Hill, see Skinner.
Moles, see Veszpremi.
Panos, see Skinner.

Gilbee, Mulligan and Hooper are almost certainly gone.

Hargrave has indicated he may retire, one more injury would probably make his decision easier but he is still only 31 not 34.



DJ is contracted for another year.

Cross, Murphy and Cooney will play on in 2013 unless Cooney's knee doesn't allow him to.

Tutt will certainly be retained.



That leaves Addison, Skinner, Veszpremi, Hill, Moles and Panos. Notwithstanding players being traded out, at least two or three of these guys will probably go.

[Mofra]

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That leaves Addison, Skinner, Veszpremi, Hill, Moles and Panos. Notwithstanding players being traded out, at least two or three of these guys will probably go.

Addison is getting senior gametime which adds safety.
Skinner, Hill & Panos are young so in the "developing" bracket although is Fletcher imporves we may drop one of them to free up the list.
Vez & Moles would definately be make or break for mine - senior guys who have spent plenty of time in the system.

Wasn't Shaggy part of a boxing gym consortium with Hahn & Hall? His life after footy is already sorted if that's the case, may influence his decision.

[dogman]

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I thought Fletcher already is on the main list. We picked him up in the pre season draft not on the rookie one.

[AndrewP6]

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Gilbee, Mulligan and Hooper are almost certainly gone.

Hargrave has indicated he may retire, one more injury would probably make his decision easier but he is still only 31 not 34.
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He's not 31 until July

[Topdog]

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so he ends the season as a 31 year old.