Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

This list got us to top 4 not long ago.
We dropped a little last year. We are now bottom 4.
I think the current situation has more too do with current structure than it does to last years.

How do you think we would have gone this year if we had the same productivity from Barry Hall's 2011 season?
Equally how would we have gone last year if Hall had left a season earlier?

We did make the top 4 for 3 seasons which is a tremendous reflection of Eade's time with us but you seem to ignore that the result of a number of short term decisions to achieve that have contributed to what we are now experiencing. Maybe it's simply the price we had to pay.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

Not only is this an unfair comment on BMac, it is way too premature.
Were you one of Eades mates as well?
BMac inherited this list, that is FACT. I think he should be given an opportunity to try and develop it like Eade was.
BMAC has a very good reputation for developing people, I am willing to be more patient with him.

It may be premature but IMO we are not seeing anything that we have bee promised or that looks like he is the man for the Job, y I like Rodney and thought he was prefect for our Club at the time.

What I struggle with now is the fact the the club looks to have no idea about anything in the AFL. They could be talking up the next steps for a Cooney, what they a wanting from our big forwards etc. from memory when we didn't have a big forward and Rocket played Minson at Ff he just came out and said he just wanted him to make the contest and bring the ball to ground. I never though Minson was a good forward but based on what I was old thought he did a good job and I could see why he was played at FF.

We are in the crapper and we need some better communication than the same stuff they are pushing about good young men!

The ALF is a business and surly over the last 5 years we have had a full review and a mini review and if the people running this club had any idea things would be a little different now. I have all the patience in the world forthe kids like Libba, Jones, Wallis, Dahlhous, Smith, Cordy, Roughy, Astin, Tutt, but I need to see leadership from the club, something that shows me the coaching staff are the men for the job.

I'm not prevailed to see the behind the seems stuff so make my option based on the infield stuff and at this point I'm really disappointed and can't understand why tis list could not beat the Carlton side last night or why it's averaging 10 goal losses over the last month. In my option we aren't really that bad and the list/players are far better than these results.

So if BMac is the man, come out and say so, but give me something! Are we happy with all the assistant coaches, Fanta, the recruiters if not flick someone ow and get the heat off the people that don't need it!

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

So you believe Eade didn't try a number of different methods to try and get the best out of these players?... Really??

His initial approaches to some of the players didn't work in fact it alienated a few of them. He had to change his approach because he realized that some of his comments cut a lot deeper than they needed to and kudos to him for doing so.

[Bornadog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

We can all bang on about decisions from the past that have left us with an inferior team etc etc, but why should Macca not be up for criticism?

As I said earlier, the game plan, the selections, the lack of ability to make strategic moves in a game must all come under scrutiny. All I know is we have been failing to kick goals.

Have a look at our past 7 games what we have kicked in the second half:

Sydney 2
Port Adelaide 8
Brisbane Lions 2
Essendon 5
Fremantle 4
Hawthorn 1
Carlton 4

and early in the season

West Coast 2
Saints 4

This is woeful and I don't believe we have the answers. We have a coaching panel that is totally inexperienced and needs an injection of a mentor to Macca or some experienced assistants as this can't go on.

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

We can all bang on about decisions from the past that have left us with an inferior team etc etc, but why should Macca not be up for criticism?

He absolutely should be but insightful comments from Chops along the lines of Eade Good, B-Mac Crap is the catalyst to challenge how good actually Eade was and I do acknowledge he was a very good coach.

Just as a side note, did you put Eade under the same microscope last year and do you acknowledge that some of the short term decisions made are in large the reason why we have a poor list?

I've already acknowledged that I think we should have won that game and I believe the match committee got it wrong. McCartney is a large part of the loss last night and why we are playing poorly.

[anfo27]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

GVGjr is the only one making any sense out there.

Its obvious we are not trying to win & i don't have a problem with that. Improvement is not just judged from the amount of wins you have. We all love winning but does beating the Carlton reserves change anything?

We have been crap for 2 years before macca came but wins blinded everyone. Yeah we made the a prelim 2 seasons ago but come on we were a very ordinary team that had far too many excuses as to why were crap except for the actual truth. We had major holes on our list with no kids being given some game time. We had a coach who was far too stubborn to change his coaching tactics to keep us competitive against the good teams.

If Hall wash't there last year we would have finished bottom 4 as well.

We aren't winning games but I see improvement even if doesn't come in the form of wins. Get off maccas back & give him time to turn this list around. Also get off Howies back, the kid showed a bit last night & posters are still getting stuck into him, disgraceful.

[F'scary]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

GVGjr is the only one making any sense out there.

Its obvious we are not trying to win & i don't have a problem with that. Improvement is not just judged from the amount of wins you have. We all love winning but does beating the Carlton reserves change anything?

We have been crap for 2 years before macca came but wins blinded everyone. Yeah we made the a prelim 2 seasons ago but come on we were a very ordinary team that had far too many excuses as to why were crap except for the actual truth. We had major holes on our list with no kids being given some game time. We had a coach who was far too stubborn to change his coaching tactics to keep us competitive against the good teams.

If Hall wash't there last year we would have finished bottom 4 as well.

We aren't winning games but I see improvement even if doesn't come in the form of wins. Get off maccas back & give him time to turn this list around. Also get off Howies back, the kid showed a bit last night & posters are still getting stuck into him, disgraceful.

Sorry but crap teams don't make prelims. We were really good in 2010.

[Bornadog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

Just as a side note, did you put Eade under the same microscope last year and do you acknowledge that some of the short term decisions made are in large the reason why we have a poor list? .

There is a big difference between an experienced coach and a first year coach. With Eade, you know that he is coaching at a high standard, so you don't question him as much as a first year coach. Last year we had lots of injuries and ended up playing 10 debutants. All I know is that I had confidence in Eade as a coach to get the best out of the players at his disposal, and on match day he is second to none. The same cannot be said about the current coach.

Yes, I was unhappy that Eagleton, Hahn and Aker were kept on one year too many, but that is just three players. The bigger concern was the drafting of DJ, Vez, and to a certain extent Sherman (which at the time looked a pretty good deal).

At the end of 2010 we should have just drafted kids and same at the end of 2011, that would have made a big difference for the future. Unfortunately for Eade, Smorgon came out and said we have to be in the GF for 2011 which was unnecessary pressure on everyone.

Having said all that, it was the right decision to change coaches and time will tell if we have made the right decision. But right now we are entitled to voice an opinion on the crap football we are playing.

[Eastdog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

Sorry but crap teams don't make prelims. We were really good in 2010.

We must have been doing something to make the prelim final in 2010. We ran out of steam in the end coupled with some injuries.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

We struggled last season but we didn't raise the white flag like we've done with monotonous regularity this season. I remember games last year, like the West Coke game at Etihad, where we were garbage early but fought out games to the death. We still tried to take the game on last season. By contrast this season we take the safe option, we move the ball at glacier speed, we hit the boundary - we are far uglier to watch this season compared to last. That is why we get 24k to a home game against Carlton on a beautiful night for football.

I didn't see them raise the white flag last night I saw a bunch of kids who were stuffed
and a few older players like Griff who had busted their gut all night out on his feet also.
If we hadn't slowed the game down a little when we did they were just about to run all over us. Slowing it down kept it closer and at least gave us some sort of chance to pinch it. Was ugly though.

[Eastdog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

I didn't see them raise the white flag last night I saw a bunch of kids who were stuffed
and a few older players like Griff who had busted their gut all night out on his feet also.
If we hadn't slowed the game down a little when we did they were just about to run all over us. Slowing it down kept it closer and at least gave us some sort of chance to pinch it. Was ugly though.

A far cry from 2009 when we were a quick team and very exciting watch. We have got slower as the years have gone on.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

Why we are playing poorly?
There are a number of reasons.
Things like a lack of a viable game plan, inability to counter opposition moves/players and little to no development in our players this year.
Who is at fault here for those?

You can't be serious. Older players are dropping off yes and the younger ones are getting
thrown in the deep end but you can see them learning. You won't see the results immediately though.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

It comes across to me as Eade's mates have been salivating for failure and are taking glee in our demise. Like it or not boys we'd be in the same position we would be now if we had kept Eade on. Eade was let go, put the knives back in their sheaves.

[Bornadog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

It comes across to me as Eade's mates have been salivating for failure and are taking glee in our demise. Like it or not boys we'd be in the same position we would be now if we had kept Eade on. Eade was let go, put the knives back in their sheaves.

You honestly believe that?

We love our club and hate losing by ten goals every week or to a Carlton reserves side. They had ten of their best players out last night and we couldn't beat them

[G-Mo77]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

You honestly believe that?

Axe to grind. That's the way it comes across from a keyboard POV anyway.

If Eade stayed on and we were in the same position there would be much less vitriol aimed at the coach.