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  • The Bulldogs Bite
    Hall of Fame
    • Dec 2006
    • 11154

    Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

    Eade was finished.

    Let's move on.
    W00F!

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    • The Underdog
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Aug 2007
      • 6818

      Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

      Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
      Eade was finished.

      Let's move on.
      If he hadn't of finished at the end of last year, I think it's unlikely the list would have had results that would have got him through this year regardless of how good he was. I agree with your point though, he's gone. McCartney has another year to improve and then he's in trouble.
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      • Desipura
        WOOF Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 4344

        Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

        If you go back to the posts on here when Eade was given his marching orders, you will find those same posters are strongly criticizing BMac.
        Some calling for his head is ridiculous, question the lines of Fantasia and Garlick, BMac should be given at least 2 years.
        BMac played a bit part in making Geelong a force, I dare say he knows what he is doing or are we questioning the likes of Chris Grant who was on the selection panel?
        All the premiership players that had a lot to with him rate him very highly, so I am willing to take their word for it at this stage.

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        • AndrewP6
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2009
          • 8142

          Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

          Originally posted by The Underdog
          If he hadn't of finished at the end of last year, I think it's unlikely the list would have had results that would have got him through this year regardless of how good he was. I agree with your point though, he's gone. McCartney has another year to improve and then he's in trouble.
          Which is more or less what I said...
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          • AndrewP6
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2009
            • 8142

            Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

            Originally posted by Desipura
            I dare say he knows what he is doing or are we questioning the likes of Chris Grant who was on the selection panel?
            All the premiership players that had a lot to with him rate him very highly, so I am willing to take their word for it at this stage.
            Maybe. Nothing wrong with asking questions, given the embarrassment of the last 6 weeks.
            [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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            • AndrewP6
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2009
              • 8142

              Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

              Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
              Eade was finished.

              Let's move on.
              My issue is not simply that Eade should've been retained, it's that IMO they made an error in giving McCartney the nod.
              [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 66309

                Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

                I don't understand why this thread has turned out to be an Eade versus Macca discussion.

                Why can't some of us question Macca and the way we are playing without bringing up past coaches. Yes we made some bad recruiting errors and kept players on too long, but you know what, that happens to most coaches. The coaches it doesn't happen to means that they recruit well, like Collingwood and Sydney who got rid of their coaches when the were still top of their game and handed over a decent playing group.

                So, we have to cope with what we have in players, and if the club and coach don' like what they have at their disposal they can get rid of players and draft players they believe we need.

                In the meantime, if we continue to play the way we are, we will vent our spleen.
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                • Desipura
                  WOOF Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 4344

                  Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  I don't understand why this thread has turned out to be an Eade versus Macca discussion.
                  Chops comment that Eade was a good coach and BMac is crap would be the answer.

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                  • Mantis
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 15343

                    Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

                    Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                    Eade was finished.

                    Let's move on.
                    Perhaps you should tell the bloke who runs this site... He's the one who pushed the discussion to where it got.

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                    • anfo27
                      WOOF Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 2002

                      Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

                      Originally posted by AndrewP6
                      Maybe. Nothing wrong with asking questions, given the embarrassment of the last 6 weeks.
                      We had more embarrassing results under Eade last season & we were not in a rebuilding phase.

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

                        Originally posted by anfo27
                        We had more embarrassing results under Eade last season & we were not in a rebuilding phase.
                        The Subiaco result last year and when else? We also beat a close to full strength Carlton who were top 4 at the time.
                        This year we have copped 7 hammerings, some at home to interstaters and lost to a reserves side last night.

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                        • GVGjr
                          Moderator
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 44420

                          Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

                          In my opinion our performance deterioration this year is anything but unpredictable. It is pretty clearly the continuation of a downward curve that started two seasons before. Hopefully it will begin to bottom out by seasons end.
                          I agree we are now reaping the results of some very poor recruiting/trade decisions from previous seasons. I hope we do not continue down the track of trading for marginal players from other sides in hope we can turn them into stars the way Sydney seems so talented at doing. We have shown no such ability unfortunately. Our record in this regard is little short of abysmal. The only two that were even briefly of much benefit were when we took players [ all be it flawed ones] that were proven champions in Hall and Aker.
                          Of the other recent trades/pick-ups none have proved to be more than they seemed at their old clubs. Austin and Marko are serviceable, Moles, Sherman, DJ and Vez. are depth players at best.

                          Sadly I feel a significant clean out is called for at season's end. That needs to go well beyond the playing group as well. For mine, the two Mac's and Smith and one other of the assistants are worth more time. The recruitment staff deserve this draft as chance to prove they have what it takes, as a few of last years youngsters show promise in the longer term. In other words, I think Football Dept. manager and a couple of assistants are or should be on very shaky ground.

                          Due to B. Mac's relative inexperience, and the modern trend of rapidly changing game plan/styles, I would love to see us add in a highly experienced tactical advisor to the coaching structure, akin to Thompson at Ess., and Rocket at Collingwood, and to do it now before all the most talented options are soaked up by other clubs. For mine if we could grab Roos, he would be ideal.

                          On a slightly different tack, I think the reason why our game day attendances are poor, is not just because we are losing matches [ though no doubt it is contributory], but more because we are playing seriously unattractive football. For heaven's sake the whole reason for professional sport, is as a form of entertainment. The sooner we remember that entertainment rather than win at any price is what draws crowds the better.
                          I certainly share the frustration of other supporters when we hang on to the ball until it is to late to go forward as the opposition has flooded back. Then chip it around and backward until we inevitably stuff it up and give away a cheap goal and all advantage.
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                          • anfo27
                            WOOF Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 2002

                            Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

                            Originally posted by F'scary
                            Sorry but crap teams don't make prelims. We were really good in 2010.
                            If you went into that finals series expecting anything but the smackings we received then you were wearing rose coloured glasses. There were only 3 good teams that year & the rest were ordinary & we were one of those.

                            Let me guess, you had us in the top 4 at the start of last season believing all the rubbish the media dished up?

                            We have been in trouble for a long time. Being flat track bullies doesn't make you a really good team.

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                            • chef
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 14588

                              Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

                              Eade's long gone and it's time to move on.
                              The curse is dead.

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                              • anfo27
                                WOOF Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 2002

                                Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

                                Originally posted by Chops
                                The Subiaco result last year and when else? We also beat a close to full strength Carlton who were top 4 at the time.
                                This year we have copped 7 hammerings, some at home to interstaters and lost to a reserves side last night.
                                Round 1 against Essendon still remains as the most embarrassing result that i have ever witnessed. I was ready for Eade to be sacked or for him to resign after that game.

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