Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

I'm not 100% certain but I think we could have wrapped up the deal in late 2010. Once it got into 2011 then the deal was becoming far more challenging and worth a lot more that originally talked about.

You can add losing Harbrow as well, negotiations way too late.

The one I am worried about is Minson, we are very close to the 1st October when he becomes a free agent.

[GVGjr]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

You can add losing Harbrow as well, negotiations way too late.

The one I am worried about is Minson, we are very close to the 1st October when he becomes a free agent.

I'll challenge the Harbrow example though.
He stalled negotiations right through the season and for a guy saying he wanted to go home as his primary reason he actually would have stayed with us if GC weren't interested.
I doubt he was interested in going to Brisbane.

Good luck to him and his management for chasing the dollars but the go home reason he supplied wasn't accurate.

It would be a shame to lose Minson.

[Maddog37]

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Seems a bit suss BAD. Why no signature from Will?!? Many clubs want a ruckman. Pies and Hawks and maybe even the Cats.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

I'll challenge the Harbrow example though.
He stalled negotiations right through the season and for a guy saying he wanted to go home as his primary reason he actually would have stayed with us if GC weren't interested.
I doubt he was interested in going to Brisbane.

Good luck to him and his management for chasing the dollars but the go home reason he supplied wasn't accurate.

It would be a shame to lose Minson.

We all knew GC and GWS were coming, so we should have planned ahead and signed up the players we wanted to keep.

We have known about free agency for a year or so, we should have stitched up Will earlier. To Will's credit, he has had a very good season and finished with the highest tap outs of any player, and now his currency on the open market is huge because good ruckman are like hens teeth to find. So his negotiating position is in his favour, but should not have allowed this to happen.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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not defending Fantasia, but do you really think any list manager would have been able to hold back Ward from going to GWS?

good point. not being up to speed with the contract negotiations so thanks for pointing that out. Just a question - did Ward's management stall negotiations knowing full well that GWS were looking at offering big bucks to a potential superstar on another club's list? if that is the case then Fantasia can't take all the blame for the stalled negotiations.

Ward came to us with a year to run on his contract asking for an extension. We offered him $300K, he wanted closer to $400K.

A year later we were begging him to stay for way more than $400K.

If Clayton was handling that deal Ward wouldn't even have got to speak with GWS.

[KT31]

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not defending Fantasia, but do you really think any list manager would have been able to hold back Ward from going to GWS?

If you really new the ins and outs of it, Callan would still be a Dog.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Ward came to us with a year to run on his contract asking for an extension. We offered him $300K, he wanted closer to $400K.

A year later we were begging him to stay for way more than $400K.

If Clayton was handling that deal Ward wouldn't even have got to speak with GWS.

Its all Mulligan's fault. If we hadn't elevated him we would have given Wardy the extra $100k........

[whythelongface]

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If you really new the ins and outs of it, Callan would still be a Dog.

do you know all the "ins and outs" of the whole negotiation process that concerned Ward? i doubt any of us do. i simply asked a question whether or not anyone could have stopped Ward from moving. GVGjr and SS kindly answered my question.

[whythelongface]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Ward came to us with a year to run on his contract asking for an extension. We offered him $300K, he wanted closer to $400K.

A year later we were begging him to stay for way more than $400K.

If Clayton was handling that deal Ward wouldn't even have got to speak with GWS.

thanks for bringing me up to speed on this issue. It certainly appears that Fantasia has failed in a number of areas.

[Guido]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Might as well get Marty Mcfly as coach head back to the 80's and call ourselves Richmond.

You could make that argument for sacking anyone. Anyone. Sacking Rohde a year before his contract expired - "Gee, talk about a Richmond reaction".

Do you want to keep Fantasia? Do you agree that to win a flag, you need one of the top footy managers in the league? On what basis is he among that group?

Failing in securing the club's best young player, two years in a row? The throwing of draft picks away on players who will not make it? The *not* accepting quality offers for Everitt (early second rounder a year before he was traded) or Hill (2nd + 4th round picks a year before he was traded for sweet FA)?

Given that you are essentially bagging anyone who thinks he should be moved on, tell us why he shouldn't be, and why we should entrust the foundation building of the club's future premiership hopes in his hands?

[Mofra]

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Its all Mulligan's fault. If we hadn't elevated him we would have given Wardy the extra $100k........

Why? He would have been on base salary, and his spot on the list would have been taken up by another player on base salary.

[Guido]

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Who do you suggest for his job? Not being smart but I'm not a fan of raising an issue and not offering a solution...

Pelchen was available last year. Rendell was also available - you can't guarantee he'll be an elite footy manager until he's actually in the role, but comparing him and Fantasia publicly, I know whose knowledge and footy nous I would want in charge of my club's footy department.

Otherwise, there's half a dozen outstanding footy managers out there, and history dictates that a couple of them can be poached. Secure one, or otherwise, offload Fantasia and elevate someone in a pure administrative role (until a top-quality candidate appears) and cut the bullshit that theoretically could have a premiership coach (Malthouse, Matthews, Roos) answerable to an ex-recruiter who has proven nothing in terms of his ability to competently manage a football department (Fantasia).

Just as an example of his decision making, last year, every other club was keeping their compensation pick activation strategy close to their chest until the last possible second, whereas our footy manager is there, months in advance, publicly screaming from the rooftops that we're going to activate the picks because it's a superdraft. a) From reports, it's no longer a "superdraft", so if it turns out to be a ho-hum draft with ho-hum picks, his judgement was off and has left the club with egg on its face; and b) if you're going to activate the picks, wouldn't you do everything within your power to downplay the quality of the draft to turn other clubs off also activating their picks?

The bloke simply does not think things through properly.

[Go_Dogs]

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Nice posts Guido, agree with the lot.

[Bornadog]

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Nice posts Guido, agree with the lot.

ditto

[Cyberdoggie]

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Just as an example of his decision making, last year, every other club was keeping their compensation pick activation strategy close to their chest until the last possible second, whereas our footy manager is there, months in advance, publicly screaming from the rooftops that we're going to activate the picks because it's a superdraft. a) From reports, it's no longer a "superdraft", so if it turns out to be a ho-hum draft with ho-hum picks, his judgement was off and has left the club with egg on its face; and b) if you're going to activate the picks, wouldn't you do everything within your power to downplay the quality of the draft to turn other clubs off also activating their picks?

The bloke simply does not think things through properly.

Having said that we aren't really going to wait another year before activating them are we.
We are rebuilding now and the club or the members simply don't have the patience to wait for a possible good year down the track.

It may not be a 'super' year but there will be plenty of good players on offer, and we need to stock up now.