Match Committee- Round 4 vs Adelaide

[whythelongface]

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FB: JJ Roughead Morris
HB: Goodes Young Cooney
W: Cross, Boyd Macrae
HF: Murphy Jones Dahlhaus
FF: Gia Stringer Grant
R: Minson Griffen Liberatore

I: Wallis Picken Stevens Lower

Out: Wood; Higgins; Campbell; Dickson

Ins: Macrae; Grant; Stringer; JJ

Stringer may not be fit enough at this stage of his development, however based on his form last week at Willi I would like to see him given a go, otherwise Cordy slots in at FF.

The other change I would possibly make is Tutt in for Picken. We need some genuine pace. Something that at least Tutt offers. It wouldn't hurt Picken to have a run at Willi to get some form with ball usage.

[always right]

Re: Match Committee- Round 4 vs Adelaide

FB: JJ Roughead Morris
HB: Goodes Young Cooney
W: Cross, Boyd Macrae
HF: Murphy Jones Dahlhaus
FF: Gia Stringer Grant
R: Minson Griffen Liberatore

I: Wallis Picken Stevens Lower

Out: Wood; Higgins; Campbell; Dickson

Ins: Macrae; Grant; Stringer; JJ

Stringer may not be fit enough at this stage of his development, however based on his form last week at Willi I would like to see him given a go, otherwise Cordy slots in at FF.

The other change I would possibly make is Tutt in for Picken. We need some genuine pace. Something that at least Tutt offers. It wouldn't hurt Picken to have a run at Willi to get some form with ball usage.

I'm assuming you expect Jones to relieve in the ruck. Asking a lot of him when we want him to work his arse off up forward.

[Prince Imperial]

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Anyone calling for Macrae to not come in, why? He's our best player at the level below, this isn't a case of fast tracking for the sake of it.

Having watched him the last two rounds at VFL level, I agree. Maybe an idea to play him as a sub for his first game if there are concerns about his ability to run out a full game.

[G-Mo77]

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I'm assuming you expect Jones to relieve in the ruck. Asking a lot of him when we want him to work his arse off up forward.

That's the issue we have if we don't go with Cordy or Campbell and I don't want any part of it. Jones is not going to relieve ruck duties, not going to happen unless forced by injury. Campbell plays if Cordy isn't ready and Cordy plays if he's good to go. If both are unavailable then you'll need to scramble for someone to help Minson out.

[whythelongface]

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I'm assuming you expect Jones to relieve in the ruck. Asking a lot of him when we want him to work his arse off up forward.

That would be my main concern not having a 2nd ruckman, however as we have seen on the weekend there is no point playing a 2nd ruckman if they don't add value around the ground.

The alternatives are that we:

1/ continue with Cordy at FF and have him play the 2nd ruck role, which I believe is what the selection committee will choose. Whilst not against this option I would like to see Stringer get a run (although as others have stated he may not be fit enough- thus a bit of a gamble).

2/ Use either Jones or Williams as the 2nd ruckman. Williams lacks the game time (though this didn't stop the committee from selecting Wood);

I have no doubt that the selection committee will pick Cordy for the weekend and continue to give Stringer more time at Willi.

The dilemma is what happens in the long run if Cordy doesn't make it as a player? Then we will be forced to use either a Jones or Williams as a 2nd ruck option or even Roughie with Williams playing some time at FB.

Utilising Jones as a back up ruck may not be ideal for his development, however it may be something that we have to consider. It is a big ask but as he gets fitter and stronger it may be the alternative.

[LostDoggy]

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I know that there have been concerns about Stringer's level of fitness but when you consider what we have witnessed from Cordy Campbell Gia Higgins and Dickson so far we could do a lot worse than throw Stringer into the side. The same could be said of Macrae JJ and Talia. We really have little to lose by bringing them in supported by the likes of the experienced Boyd Griffen Minson Murphy Morris, Cooney and Picken.
Unfortunately we still have 7-8 players on our list who do not cut it at a senior level and as was shown at the end of last year a further large turn over is required..

Tell you why I hate the idea. Jimmy Toumpas. Much vaunted for pick 2 he's had 9, 6 and 3 touches in 3 weeks. Learning nothing except despair in the seniors. I just hate watching prodigious young talent getting thrust into the meatgrinder. You rarely see a Geelong player in the seniors year 1. Crozier (Freo), Kavanaugh (Essendon), Smedts (Geelong) all show talent and are being eased in. Geelong are the masters of it accepting the have had the luxury to allow them to do so. I say let these guys beat up the VFL all year and be successful as they develop and ease them in next year. We aren't winning the flag and we are still developing cordy, jones, roughy etc etc in the 1's. Coming along nicely too. No rush this year. Play the ones who can't cut it and cut them lose at the end.

[Mofra]

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Tell you why I hate the idea. Jimmy Toumpas. Much vaunted for pick 2 he's had 9, 6 and 3 touches in 3 weeks. Learning nothing except despair in the seniors. I just hate watching prodigious young talent getting thrust into the meatgrinder. You rarely see a Geelong player in the seniors year 1. Crozier (Freo), Kavanaugh (Essendon), Smedts (Geelong) all show talent and are being eased in. Geelong are the masters of it accepting the have had the luxury to allow them to do so. I say let these guys beat up the VFL all year and be successful as they develop and ease them in next year. We aren't winning the flag and we are still developing cordy, jones, roughy etc etc in the 1's. Coming along nicely too. No rush this year. Play the ones who can't cut it and cut them lose at the end.

Nailed it - Stringer, fitness wise, is just not ready.

He'll get his chances though, and I expect he'll get a taste this year.

[Maddog37]

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Tell you why I hate the idea. Jimmy Toumpas. Much vaunted for pick 2 he's had 9, 6 and 3 touches in 3 weeks. Learning nothing except despair in the seniors. I just hate watching prodigious young talent getting thrust into the meatgrinder. You rarely see a Geelong player in the seniors year 1. Crozier (Freo), Kavanaugh (Essendon), Smedts (Geelong) all show talent and are being eased in. Geelong are the masters of it accepting the have had the luxury to allow them to do so. I say let these guys beat up the VFL all year and be successful as they develop and ease them in next year. We aren't winning the flag and we are still developing cordy, jones, roughy etc etc in the 1's. Coming along nicely too. No rush this year. Play the ones who can't cut it and cut them lose at the end.

What about Jed Anderson at the Hwaks or Ollie Wines at Port? You have used selections to suit your case. Choose players on merit and Macrae has been the best Dogs listed player for the last two weeks.

[Bulldog Joe]

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I see no reason why Macrae and Stringer should not be promoted. Perhaps not both at the same time, but experience in the senior side generally helps development.

Stringer did struggle to see out the game last week but really he is good enough to play.

What they will need is maybe a week off after 2 or 3 games.

For me this week we have known outs
Wood
Higgins
Dickson

I would add
Smith
Campbell

Ins
Williams and I don't care that he has had only 1 game he is better than Cordy/Campbell at this point.
Grant
Macrae
Boyd
JJ or Pearce

Would be happy if they went with Tutt as one of the ins. If Cordy is right to go and they want to bring him in, I would also be happy for Tom Williams to take the spot vacated by Wood and play tall back to allow Young to be played on a small.

[LostDoggy]

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What about Jed Anderson at the Hwaks or Ollie Wines at Port? You have used selections to suit your case. Choose players on merit and Macrae has been the best Dogs listed player for the last two weeks.

Precisely. There would be no Rising Star Award if we took the attitude of not playing young players to the extreme.

The caveat is they must be strong and fit enough to handle the hits and the endurance required.

[SlimPickens]

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Tell you why I hate the idea. Jimmy Toumpas. Much vaunted for pick 2 he's had 9, 6 and 3 touches in 3 weeks. Learning nothing except despair in the seniors. I just hate watching prodigious young talent getting thrust into the meatgrinder. You rarely see a Geelong player in the seniors year 1. Crozier (Freo), Kavanaugh (Essendon), Smedts (Geelong) all show talent and are being eased in. Geelong are the masters of it accepting the have had the luxury to allow them to do so. I say let these guys beat up the VFL all year and be successful as they develop and ease them in next year. We aren't winning the flag and we are still developing cordy, jones, roughy etc etc in the 1's. Coming along nicely too. No rush this year. Play the ones who can't cut it and cut them lose at the end.

GWS and Gold Coast wouldnt have been able to field a side over the last few years!
If a player is ready then play him. McCrae looks so assured with the footy and Stringer is a beast, these guys are ready and should get games on the merit of their Williamstown form. Not held back because they're young.

[LostDoggy]

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What about Jed Anderson at the Hwaks or Ollie Wines at Port? You have used selections to suit your case. Choose players on merit and Macrae has been the best Dogs listed player for the last two weeks.

Totally valid point and the argument could be made that Stringer is more Wines in mould than Crozier. All of them come along differently but I would add the real concerns that I share with others around his current fitness and the massive variance in the amount of running required at both levels. To use another analogy, we've got a cracking colt who could win a Melbourne Cup and I wouldn't want to break him trying to win the VRC Derby.

I just don't see the rush and I think Melbourne are breaking players poorly by rushing them in when they clearly aren't ready where Geelong and others are very good at playing it case by case.

Believe me, If they do play him I'll trust the match committee and yell as loud as anyone when he comes on. Total man-crush since the williamstown game.

[stefoid]

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With the new injury news, I think the ins and outs practically write itself.

out: Higgins, Dicko, Campbell, Wood. Obviously with the injury news these are no brainers, and thats probably enough for one round.

in: JJ, Cordy, Boyd

The only question is who is the forward to come in for Dicko? Its out of Vez and Grant I reckon, as Stringer and Williams are still underdone and could do with a few more weeks at Willi.

Id give the nod to Vezpremi at this stage. Both him and Grant should be training the house down this week, you would think.

[Bornadog]

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With the new injury news, I think the ins and outs practically write itself.

out: Higgins, Dicko, Campbell, Wood. Obviously with the injury news these are no brainers, and thats probably enough for one round.

in: JJ, Cordy, Boyd

The only question is who is the forward to come in for Dicko? Its out of Vez and Grant I reckon, as Stringer and Williams are still underdone and could do with a few more weeks at Willi.

Id give the nod to Vezpremi at this stage. Both him and Grant should be training the house down this week, you would think.

I Prefer Grant over Vez. Grant is proven at AFL level and is more the future than Vez who is lucky to be on the list.

[LostDoggy]

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Out: Higgins (injured), Dickson (injured), Wood (injured), Campbell (omitted)
In: Cordy (only if 100%), JJ (only if 100%), Boyd (only if 100%), Mcrae (sub)

I think we need to make sure we don't play anymore underdone players - the upside is not worth the downside - losing a player early in the game and then for a number of week which then further exposes our depth. Therefore no consideration this week for Wiiliams and Stringer (although both definitely on radar for week after).

If Boyd is not ready give an opportunity to Tutt who looked good at Wili - albeit in a 100+ point winning side

I would favour a move of Smith in to middle to start - give him a full game from start rather than green vest him.

Consider moving Picken forward, either as a tag on a running backman or just to create contest and forward pressure which has been poor since Brisbane, Wallis to a back flank to get some touch back - I believe he played this position at TAC level. Boyd replace Wallis in middle.

Macrae gives flex as the sub to either inject pace and creativity into foward line (preferred) or middle if we are stuggling to break lines and hit targets forward (quite likely) after half time. I wouldn't be waiting too long to pull the trigger on sub if we are struggling early in third quarter.