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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #76
    Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

    Lets give him a 3 year contract and then kick him out after 1 and a half years because we aren't 8-0

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    • AndrewP6
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2009
      • 8142

      #77
      Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

      Originally posted by claysmyman
      Lets give him a 3 year contract and then kick him out after 1 and a half years because we aren't 8-0
      That's not the issue. We've been humiliated in some games. Even in yesterday's game, the way in which we lost was worse than the end result. We've had one aspect of a gameplan drilled ad nauseaum into the players and supporters, in around 18 months.

      There've been numerous games/situations in games where he has been either unwilling or unable to find a way to change what was happening, and some match day selections have been terrible.
      [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        #78
        Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

        I continue to be a supporter of Macca and his approach to educating the players.

        As has been pointed out we really do struggle at times to get the ball back when the opposition have it. When we have to highlight Macrae as showing us how to create space and have composure, then I think we are struggling.

        Footy these days appears to be run at all costs and keep the ball moving, come back through the corridor. We were stop start last year and have been in quarters this year. I see we are trying to keep the ball moving now. It's just that we are not so good at it yet, and certainly not for a whole game. Part of that is inexperience, part because we haven't enough players who can create space, gain separation, position themselves to advantage, and part because we have players who seem to be fatiguing in games or whose skill level is exposed under pressure.

        We were also beaten by the inability of our tall markers to have any impact on the game. We barely took a strong mark for the night, more often dropping marks and fumbling the ball. I don't know if it was the lights, over anxiousness, or if we just haven't got players who can take strong marks consistently.

        And we also got done again by sometimes allowing the ball to get out the back of a contest.

        I'm putting this one down to we just had a bad night. Even the bounce of the ball seem to evade us.

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        • jeemak
          Bulldog Legend
          • Oct 2010
          • 21728

          #79
          Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

          Good post, as usual metal.
          TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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          • Remi Moses
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 14785

            #80
            Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

            Originally posted by Sedat
            Do you think our recruiting from 2000-2002 was any better? Jordan McMahon, Sam Power, Tim Walsh, Cam Faulkner - not exactly a roll-call of elite first round selections there. If we nailed even a couple of these selections we win a flag and possibly 2. As for the Rohde era, every single player drafted in before his arrival went backwards in their development and many of them were borderline scrapheap material before the new coach arrived. So in effect almost every year of drafting was poor from 2000-2009 - how we got so close to a premiership, with a clearly inferior list to the contenders of the day, was an absolute miracle.
            I'm still staggered he gets the "master recruiter" tag.
            Your first round pick at least has to be nailed as a given.
            Abject fail in that sense.Look at the actual facts. Had an enormous amount of concessions when he took over Brisbane. Then got the cream of the 2010 draft with GC.

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            • Mantis
              Hall of Fame
              • Apr 2007
              • 15374

              #81
              Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

              Originally posted by Remi Moses
              I'm still staggered he gets the "master recruiter" tag.
              Your first round pick at least has to be nailed as a given.
              Abject fail in that sense.Look at the actual facts. Had an enormous amount of concessions when he took over Brisbane. Then got the cream of the 2010 draft with GC.
              Clayton lived off one very good draft (1999), some good rookie picks and his ability to negotiate a contract at our club... His ND recruiting looking back was poor, but he did have a team around him, but low funds meant ours wasn't as big as others.

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              • FrediKanoute
                Coaching Staff
                • Aug 2007
                • 3819

                #82
                Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                Originally posted by GVGjr
                Agreed. The club should review all things at the end of the season not now.
                I want to state that I am not in the sack the coach camp, far from it. I do think though that something is not right. I believe that Gordonn should hold a review now, not at the seasons end so that changes can be implemented ahead of the 2014 pre-season/drafting period.

                My gut feel is that we have a rookie coach with the right idea, but possibly the wrong methodology of getting the message across, If this is the case then its not fatal, but could be fixed with the appointment of a guiding hand assistant/football director.

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                • GVGjr
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 44471

                  #83
                  Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                  Originally posted by MrMahatma
                  Isn't it Clayton to blame?

                  Everyone seems to blame Eade for bad drafting. Am I missing something?
                  I think it's split. Clayton drafted players and worked the contracts etc.
                  There was some questionable short term list management decisions that I don't think reflect that well on the combination of Eade and Fantasia.
                  Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                  • Mantis
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 15374

                    #84
                    Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                    Originally posted by GVGjr
                    I think it's split. Clayton drafted players and worked the contracts etc.
                    There was some questionable short term list management decisions that I don't think reflect that well on the combination of Eade and Fantasia.
                    I know we are going over old ground, and you've probably mentioned these elsewhere, but what do you see as the 3 biggest stuff-ups the Eade/ Fantasia combo made with regard to list management?

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                    • Ghost Dog
                      WOOF Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 9404

                      #85
                      Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      I know we are going over old ground, and you've probably mentioned these elsewhere, but what do you see as the 3 biggest stuff-ups the Eade/ Fantasia combo made with regard to list management?
                      Bit off the tread isn't that?

                      McCartney is starting to sound a bit like Dean Baily. Unflappable, Calm, logical, but are they listening?
                      You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                      • SlimPickens
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 2929

                        #86
                        Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                        Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                        McCartney is starting to sound a bit like Dean Baily. Unflappable, Calm, logical, but are they listening?
                        True and haven't Melbourne benefitted by giving Bailey the arse!
                        "Loves a scrap....oh yeah & he's a pretty handy footballer as well"

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                        • Ghost Dog
                          WOOF Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 9404

                          #87
                          Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                          Originally posted by SlimPickens
                          True and haven't Melbourne benefitted by giving Bailey the arse!
                          Yeah, fair call Slim. Good point. lumping it on McCartney is the easy angle. What is going on with the the coaching team as a whole?
                          You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                          • Topdog
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 7471

                            #88
                            Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                            Originally posted by G-Mo77
                            Dahlhaus can't do anything wrong in most eyes, his season has been poor. .
                            Has had a very very poor season IMO and should be close to being dropped

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                            • Throughandthrough
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 3203

                              #89
                              Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                              I'd be interested to read what McCartney's KPI's are this year. And i doubt he's be on track to achieve any of them.

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                              • LostDoggy
                                WOOF Member
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 8307

                                #90
                                Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                Originally posted by Throughandthrough
                                I'd be interested to read what McCartney's KPI's are this year. And i doubt he's be on track to achieve any of them.
                                His "Crack ins" are hitting the mark

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