Three Things I've Learned - Round 6 Edition

[Greystache]

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And by posting this you have added exactly what to the discussion? If someone is as frustrated by the level of support as they are by the team's performance, they have every right to say so.

I've said it once, not thread after thread week after week bashing supporters for not being like him. It's garbage.

[Doc26]

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1.10 Sunday is a problem.
4.40 Sunday is a problem
2.10 Saturday is a problem....

Is there any other time slots we can make excuses about? Because it's not like we had a strong attendance at the Saturday game. It's just a cop out. People just don't want to turn up until we are a top side again. They'll be the same people that ring up 3AW and say they've been a 'supporter for 25 years. And we should sack the coach, call the club footscray, and recruit Fevola'.

As bornascragger said - the moment Betts kicked that goal - all that was there from the pitiful dogs attendance had to 'beat the traffic'.

I do disagree with this sentiment.

Following are all our home games on offer throughout 2014 that don't fall in the bracket of starting mid to late afternoon on a Sunday, which I contest that if you have a young family will make up much of the value proposition in taking out a family membership which btw for a basic reserved seat package starts at ~$720 before any incidentals.

Richmond, Crows, Lions, Demons, a North replacement game (general admission only) and with the Giants still to be confirmed.

And we might wonder why people aren't showing up.

[Eastdog]

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Looking at the fixture from Round 7 on we have 2 Sunday twilight games against Geelong down at Skilled Stadium in Round 16 and a home game against Essendon at Etihad in Round 18 so its not too bad but still we are playing a lot on Sundays and not much on Saturday and don't get me started on Friday night!

[Ozza]

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The reporter(s) certainly were implying it was a crazy decision and that Jong wasn't up to it, but McCartney defended/somewhat praised him. Whilst Dangerfield didn't kick any goals, to suggest Jong did a good job is ludicrous. Dangerfield helped Adelaide win the game and ended up with 28 possessions.

I think that one mistake we made was that Jong was starting inside the square (most times) when Danger was in there. We really lost our ascendency in the middle once Danger and Jong were both inside during most of the 2nd and 3rd.

Dangerfield was one of their good players, but most of his possessions around the ground were under pressure and he was either hand balling or kicking around corners most of the time. It wasn't a complete disaster. Unlike the tall back line selection.

[Scorlibo]

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Serious question....who do you believe would have done a better job?

By playing Jong as a tagger in the first place, we sacrifice one ball winner where the ball is most - in the midfield. That's a basic fact to do with taggers. To make up for this, taggers simply have to make a dent in their opponent's game. If they don't, they lose (and the team lose) by default.

Ozza's nailed it:

I think that one mistake we made was that Jong was starting inside the square (most times) when Danger was in there. We really lost our ascendency in the middle once Danger and Jong were both inside during most of the 2nd and 3rd.

Rather than play a young player in a role he hasn't played before, I would be inclined to let someone like Boyd go head to head with Dangerfield at stoppages and then have Easton Wood pick him up when resting forward.

[Remi Moses]

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I've said it once, not thread after thread week after week bashing supporters for not being like him. It's garbage.

I agree. Some fans clap
Them off(even after a flogging)some fans leave early ( I've left while we've lead) It's such a minute petty issue really.
Is a supporter less of one because he or she leaves before the end?I'd be more concerned that some are not showing up.

[Hotdog60]

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I don't disagree with you regarding some of our time slots I hate the 4 40 times but when you do get given a 1 10 time slit and no one turns up why would they then give us better times.
It does not matter what you say, when you have 28k members and you only get 17k people to a reasonable time slot it is poor.

I'm a member for life but I for me to see a game live is a very small percentage. Some of us can't afford the plane trip as well.

[soupman]

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Rather than play a young player in a role he hasn't played before, I would be inclined to let someone like Boyd go head to head with Dangerfield at stoppages and then have Easton Wood pick him up when resting forward.

We know how that ends.

Jong by no means shut him down, but Dangerfield did not break the game open and many of his touches were under pressure. I thought Jong was respectable.

[always right]

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By playing Jong as a tagger in the first place, we sacrifice one ball winner where the ball is most - in the midfield. That's a basic fact to do with taggers. To make up for this, taggers simply have to make a dent in their opponent's game. If they don't, they lose (and the team lose) by default.

Ozza's nailed it:

Rather than play a young player in a role he hasn't played before, I would be inclined to let someone like Boyd go head to head with Dangerfield at stoppages and then have Easton Wood pick him up when resting forward.

I'd have to watch the match back....and I really don't want to do that just yet but my perception of Dangerfield's game was that he wasn't allowed to break into space where he can be most damaging. Like Soupaman I thought we were at least able to put him under some pressure when he gathered the ball but being the great player he is, Dangerfield always seemed to be able to get his arms free in the tackle to offload. IMO he wasn't BOG despite his stats. There were more influential players than Dangerfield yesterday.

Boyd may have been better able to use his stronger body and experience to provide a contest at stoppages but I shudder to think what would have happened had Dangerfield been able to break into space. Jong put in an honest performance and I don't think anyone else would have fared any better. I noted that when Dangerfield went forward it was in fact Easton Wood who took him.

[Bornadog]

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We know how that ends.

Jong by no means shut him down, but Dangerfield did not break the game open and many of his touches were under pressure. I thought Jong was respectable.

Whether we agree or not, Macca's idea of developing young players is to get them to follow a champion player around for the day. In the end Jong collected 14 disposals and laid the second highest tackles for us. His skills are poor and he needs lots of development to get him to the standard required. However, he has a great attitude, a great work ethic, goes in hard and is a work in progress after playing his 9th game.

[always right]

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Whether we agree or not, Macca's idea of developing young players is to get them to follow a champion player around for the day. In the end Jong collected 14 disposals and laid the second highest tackles for us. His skills are poor and he needs lots of development to get him to the standard required. However, he has a great attitude, a great work ethic, goes in hard and is a work in progress after playing his 9th game.

If I have one reservation as to whether Jong will make it....it's in regard to his awareness. He seems he has zero ability to understand what to do when receiving the ball one-out under pressure. Invariably it leads to a turnover.

[Mantis]

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Rather than play a young player in a role he hasn't played before, I would be inclined to let someone like Boyd go head to head with Dangerfield at stoppages and then have Easton Wood pick him up when resting forward.

Libba (our best clearance player) was on Dangerfield for quite a few clearance situations... Jong would pick him up as play continued.

[Maddog37]

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Too much focus on Jong who always gives his all even if it is limited. There are players like Griff, Cooney, Murph, Higgins etc that go missing for large parts of games and only try when it suits them. Weak as piss and this is the reason our supporters do not turn up week in week out.

As for supporters leaving early, the last time I looked we pay to watch them play whereas the players are paid well to turn up and perform.

I leave early if the players are not giving their all and I didn't go yesterday because I am sick of watching the rubbish footy we played against Carlton etc. Until the team is worth watching then the crowds and memberships will be low.

Having said that, I have a family premiership gold member for life that gets paid year in year out regardless of the above as I love the club and want to support it.

[Mofra]

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1. The degate about "throw Jones into the backline" is over. Completely.

2. Will rucks better when given a proper chop-out

3. The interesting tactic in the 1st quarter where Jong would run into the square from the HB line at the bounce to take Dangerfield - it actually worked for a while. B-Mac brushing up on his tactics book?

PS: Nothing has changed my perception that we need to target a backline rebounder in this upcoming draft. In terms of effective rebounding, we have Murphy, Wood sometimes, then a bare cupboard.

[LostDoggy]

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1. Our supporters are piss-weak. Betts kicked that goal and 80% of those in attendance suddenly had a train to catch. When our players see that, I wonder if it comes into their minds when weighing up contract offers from other clubs.
2. If the match comittee read Woof, next week we'd play the entire team in the twos.
3. We are poor at implementing a Plan B when Plan A goes to shit.

On a serious note - what is "Plan A" and "Plan B"...I'm not to sure I know