BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

[ratsmac]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

I think Wallis will stay TBH. Unless he is offered something silly I think we will match the offer. But in saying that I think (hope) he signs on before it even gets to that.

I don't like our chances of trading out Roberts either. He has barely played in a team full of injuries and kids are getting picked before him. Who would take him?

As for trade bait I think Young's name might be thrown up if we are dealing with any of the S.A clubs.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

I think Wallis will stay TBH. Unless he is offered something silly I think we will match the offer. But in saying that I think (hope) he signs on before it even gets to that.

I don't like our chances of trading out Roberts either. He has barely played in a team full of injuries and kids are getting picked before him. Who would take him?

As for trade bait I think Young's name might be thrown up if we are dealing with any of the S.A clubs.

Agree on Wallis. I'd prefer he stay, but if there's 4 year deals on better money I think that forces our hand. I'd be willing to trade Roberts for an exchange of 2019 5th rounders and pay half his wage. I'd rather have the list spot and half his salary freed up. Surely that tempts a team to a virtual free hit in him, a great premiership full back...

[Mofra]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

7. Then we elevate Gowers & Lynch. So 7-8 spots opened. I'd delist NMM and Roarke off the rookie list. Time for fresh blood.

Just on this - we are apparently set to offer Gowers a multi-year contract and he'll stay on the rookie list according to BF.

As he is a first year rookie we can keep him on the rookie list for two more years and a portion of his contract is therefore not counted under the cap (I don't know the exact portion). The suggestion is Gowers is comfortable with this as long as he gets a multiple year contract and he is the only player eligible for this to apply to.

In this circumstance I'd happily offer him three years and weight it towards the first two years where the rookie-cap discount applies. Sounds like a smart strategy if Gowers is comfortable with it. Under the rookie list changes, at least one rookie can play from round 1 with no LTI listed player required.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

Agree on Wallis. I'd prefer he stay, but if there's 4 year deals on better money I think that forces our hand. I'd be willing to trade Roberts for an exchange of 2019 5th rounders and pay half his wage. I'd rather have the list spot and half his salary freed up. Surely that tempts a team to a virtual free hit in him, a great premiership full back...

I would agree that any trade for Roberts makes sense, in the same way that we got Biggs from Sydney or traded out Rawlings to North.

Why would we need to be paying any salary? Surely he is on the minimum.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

I would agree that any trade for Roberts makes sense, in the same way that we got Biggs from Sydney or traded out Rawlings to North.

Why would we need to be paying any salary? Surely he is on the minimum.

Just if that makes a deal. I’d prefer nothing, but I’d put in a little cap if that means he moves on. Not my starting point.

[GVGjr]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

Just on this - we are apparently set to offer Gowers a multi-year contract and he'll stay on the rookie list according to BF.

As he is a first year rookie we can keep him on the rookie list for two more years and a portion of his contract is therefore not counted under the cap (I don't know the exact portion). The suggestion is Gowers is comfortable with this as long as he gets a multiple year contract and he is the only player eligible for this to apply to.

In this circumstance I'd happily offer him three years and weight it towards the first two years where the rookie-cap discount applies. Sounds like a smart strategy if Gowers is comfortable with it. Under the rookie list changes, at least one rookie can play from round 1 with no LTI listed player required.

Can you offer a rookie who has already completed a year more than a two year deal?

If we are that tight for spots on the list it probably means minimal changes to the senior list.

[Webby]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

He has mentioned Honeychurch in point 5

Ah, okay.

So BT is saying keep Honeychurch.

Guess my question then is, why?

He doesn’t seem even close to being up to the level. Wasted spot, IMO.

[azabob]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

Ah, okay.

So BT is saying keep Honeychurch.

Guess my question then is, why?

He doesn’t seem even close to being up to the level. Wasted spot, IMO.

BT is delisting HC.

[Mantis]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

Ah, okay.

So BT is saying keep Honeychurch.

Guess my question then is, why?

He doesn’t seem even close to being up to the level. Wasted spot, IMO.

No he's not, he is saying delist him and then showing his relative value in the summary section.

[Mofra]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

Can you offer a rookie who has already completed a year more than a two year deal?

If we are that tight for spots on the list it probably means minimal changes to the senior list.

I'm not sure unless we have an automatic elevation clause after the second year.
Every contract in the competition is signed of by the AFL so I would assume anything that comes to pass at the end of the year is within the rules.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

Can you offer a rookie who has already completed a year more than a two year deal?

If we are that tight for spots on the list it probably means minimal changes to the senior list.

If we are doing this, which sounds strategic, we get another pick around 100 or we aren’t cutting hard enough. Or maybe we are targeting some delisted free agents or state based players. We must cut hard to balance our talent and list profile.

[Webby]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

Sorry BT, with you now. Accidentally read all of line 5 as Resignings.

This being the case, can’t really disagree with any of it. Perhaps just Dickson... Got a nagging feeling that he’s worth one more year.
The rest of the message is, i suppose, sensible logic in that loading up on draft picks in a boom draft year is a good pathway.

[Mofra]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

If we are doing this, which sounds strategic, we get another pick around 100 or we aren’t cutting hard enough. Or maybe we are targeting some delisted free agents or state based players. We must cut hard to balance our talent and list profile.

Or we can have one less on the main list and one extra on the rookie list.

That doesn't include any Cat B rookies and I expect we're hoping 1-2 of our NGA types slip through as Cat Bs.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

Or we can have one less on the main list and one extra on the rookie list.

That doesn't include any Cat B rookies and I expect we're hoping 1-2 of our NGA types slip through as Cat Bs.

Sounds very clever by Power, I'm not against using the system to full extent of flexibility. That's what good accountants and lawyers do, find an angle to exploit but not enough to break the laws/rules. Gowers must be a very trusting club man to go along with it. Almost all players I'd guess would want the upfront certainty, especially if there's a serious injury later on. If we still turnover the list properly and use this as a bonus advantage, then that's a good restructure of the existing playing list. Then if we can bring in some fresh rookies, a Cat B maybe, elite junior talent (West & Khamis) and maybe a top liner trade with pick 7 (or free agent) and heaps of cap spare with our 'aggressive approach', then we look much better balanced and probably more talented.

[Bornadog]

Re: BT's very, very, very early 2018 post season / list management assessment

i suppose, sensible logic in that loading up on draft picks in a boom draft year is a good pathway.

The way Bevo has been talking, we will be trading for established players to boost our experience, so I don't expect too many young players, other than pick 7, and Rhylee West.