2024 List Management Thread

[bulldogtragic]

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You sound more like a politician.

What did ever do to hurt you to call me the P word?

[SquirrelGrip]

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And what's the difference between in the air and holding fire?

I didn?t know either, so I asked ChatGBT and this is what it came up with:

In the context of list management for a sports team like the Western Bulldogs in the Australian Football League (AFL), "in the air" and "holding fire" refer to different strategic approaches regarding player contracts, trades, and overall team composition. Here's what they generally mean:

1. **In the Air**: This phrase suggests that decisions are still being considered and nothing has been finalized. It indicates uncertainty or ongoing deliberations about a player's future with the team. For example, if a player's contract renewal is "in the air," it means the team hasn't decided yet whether to extend the contract, trade the player, or let them go.

2. **Holding Fire**: This term implies a deliberate decision to wait and not take immediate action. It suggests that the team is choosing to delay decisions on contracts or trades until they have more information or until a more strategic time. For instance, if the team is "holding fire" on trading a player, they might be waiting to see how other trade opportunities develop or how the player performs in the upcoming season.

These strategies are part of a broader approach to managing the team?s roster effectively, balancing short-term performance with long-term goals.

[FrediKanoute]

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We are well into the season now and I thought it worth putting down some thougts on the players we need to make a call on. I've excluded Smith and English. They will or wont sign and we would prefer both do. I haven't considered whether guys have signed or not its more some thoughts:

Busslinger - keep. Whilst a little frustrated he hasn't debuted sign are that he is close. one to watch in 2025.
Clarke - keep. Young 2nd year player. Debuted but was a little star struck. Concerned he doesn't have an x-factor, but 1 more year at least.
Baker - Maybe - in out player who has been mostly out. Good back up fo what seems a never ending problem, our wings but strggles to cement a spot. Been in the system a while an may be one to make way.
Croft - keep - first year player. No expectations. Will need another 2 to 3 seasons.
Coffield - ????? - I don't see it. I don' see what he brings that an O'Donnell or a Khamis can't bring. Given we traded for him we will keep, but hard to understand what we saw in him.
Harmes - Maybe - injuries have hurt his year but is he best 22?
Khamis - keep - seen enough this year to be happy that he can play and can play a role well. May end u as back up, but has earned his spot.
Poulter - maybe - a lot like Baker. Think you keep one of them in 2025.
Bedendo - Maybe - coming up to the end of his 3rd year on the list and the upside just hasn't manifested. Would have to be considered for not getting a contract next season.
Scott - maybe - handy utility, but hasn't nailed down a position. There always seems to be someone better than him. One to consider.
McNeil - maybe - 5 weeks ago his cards were stamped, but he is back in the senior team. Is it Clarke v McNeil?
A Jones - maybe - I love Arty. We all love Arty, but he hasn't kicked on at all this season. I think he will survive a delisting, but 2025 shapes up as make or break
Cleary - maybe - 3 years on the list and can't nail a spot. Most would say he has shown he can play at AFL level just that the opportunities haven't been there. Will be considered for delisting this year. Would prefer to keep.
Daniel - trade - his currency is low and to be honest I would prefer to keep him, but no point doing that and not paying him.
JJ - maybe - another year ruined through injury is father time catching up?
Keath - retire - father time has caught up with Keath and I can't see him being on our list next season
Gardner - maybe - season ruined through injury. Have we missing him though? Will be on the list next season, but O'Donnell and Khamis and now LObb would be ahead of him with Busslinger yet to enter the frame.

[jeemak]

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Another Lipinski in the making.

We offer him a contract and he leaves?

[jeemak]

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Could Josh Barnes actually get off the fence and provide an actual verdict?

Possibly.

[DOG GOD]

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We offer him a contract and he leaves?

Possibly yes

[DOG GOD]

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We are well into the season now and I thought it worth putting down some thougts on the players we need to make a call on. I've excluded Smith and English. They will or wont sign and we would prefer both do. I haven't considered whether guys have signed or not its more some thoughts:

Busslinger - keep. Whilst a little frustrated he hasn't debuted sign are that he is close. one to watch in 2025.
Clarke - keep. Young 2nd year player. Debuted but was a little star struck. Concerned he doesn't have an x-factor, but 1 more year at least.
Baker - Maybe - in out player who has been mostly out. Good back up fo what seems a never ending problem, our wings but strggles to cement a spot. Been in the system a while an may be one to make way.
Croft - keep - first year player. No expectations. Will need another 2 to 3 seasons.
Coffield - ????? - I don't see it. I don' see what he brings that an O'Donnell or a Khamis can't bring. Given we traded for him we will keep, but hard to understand what we saw in him.
Harmes - Maybe - injuries have hurt his year but is he best 22?
Khamis - keep - seen enough this year to be happy that he can play and can play a role well. May end u as back up, but has earned his spot.
Poulter - maybe - a lot like Baker. Think you keep one of them in 2025.
Bedendo - Maybe - coming up to the end of his 3rd year on the list and the upside just hasn't manifested. Would have to be considered for not getting a contract next season.
Scott - maybe - handy utility, but hasn't nailed down a position. There always seems to be someone better than him. One to consider.
McNeil - maybe - 5 weeks ago his cards were stamped, but he is back in the senior team. Is it Clarke v McNeil?
A Jones - maybe - I love Arty. We all love Arty, but he hasn't kicked on at all this season. I think he will survive a delisting, but 2025 shapes up as make or break
Cleary - maybe - 3 years on the list and can't nail a spot. Most would say he has shown he can play at AFL level just that the opportunities haven't been there. Will be considered for delisting this year. Would prefer to keep.
Daniel - trade - his currency is low and to be honest I would prefer to keep him, but no point doing that and not paying him.
JJ - maybe - another year ruined through injury is father time catching up?
Keath - retire - father time has caught up with Keath and I can't see him being on our list next season
Gardner - maybe - season ruined through injury. Have we missing him though? Will be on the list next season, but O'Donnell and Khamis and now LObb would be ahead of him with Busslinger yet to enter the frame.

Busslinger - keep. We HAVE to?
Clarke - gone. I chose Arty instead.
Baker - keep. Although in and out, he has a heart of a lion and tries his guts out. Seems a good team player.
Croft - keep
Coffield - keep to see how he goes?maybe the Duryea replacement. We traded for him. Need to see him with good games behind him.
Harmes - keep.
Khamis - keep - but if all goes well will be good to fill a role
Poulter - gone. I’m keeping baker, so poulter goes.
Bedendo - gone. I don?t see it and injury has ravaged his chances
Scott - maybe - I’d rookie him
McNeil - gone. Had more chances than most to cement his spot. Just doesn?t do enough and too unreliable at goal.
A Jones - keep. I more year and that?s it
Cleary - gone. Ive chosen Coffield over him
Daniel - trade - seems disillusioned with Bevo. Can see him wanting out.
JJ - keep. His experience is valuable and injury free can still offer something.
Keath - retired…never should’ve got that contract extension.
Gardner - maybe for insurance….but surely Khamis, O’Donnell and Buss ahead of him.

[Bornadog]

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Don't forget many players are still under contract

[GVGjr]

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Don't forget many players are still under contract

Yep, it's not like Coffield and Croft are going anywhere

[hujsh]

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Yep, it's not like Coffield and Croft are going anywhere

Or Bus or Harmes, even Gardner I think has another year. I wish there was somewhere I could check.

In fairness FK did say "I haven't considered whether guys have signed or not its more some thoughts"

[Hotdog60]

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Have they extended the rookie list to 5 years now? Just on Bedendo could we offer a extension as a rookie to see if he can stay on the park and show some improvement.

[Happy Days]

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We gotta give up on Bedendo. It’s been 3 years, he’s shown the barest of little bits but what odds do you really give him from here of being a regular senior player. Same goes for Cleary, who’s shown a little more but clearly isn’t rated by the coaches.

[Mofra]

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We gotta give up on Bedendo. It’s been 3 years, he’s shown the barest of little bits but what odds do you really give him from here of being a regular senior player. Same goes for Cleary, who’s shown a little more but clearly isn’t rated by the coaches.

I'd keep Cleary ahead of Bedendo, and that's noting Coffield (when fit) is a head of him and if Freijah is staying down back next year - he is too.

[GVGjr]

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We gotta give up on Bedendo. It’s been 3 years, he’s shown the barest of little bits but what odds do you really give him from here of being a regular senior player. Same goes for Cleary, who’s shown a little more but clearly isn’t rated by the coaches.

Drafted in 2020 so he's just about completed 4 years with us.
It's a hard call because he potentially looks like he could come good but injuries have really slowed his progress.
Athletically he is blessed but 4 years in and we still don't know where his best position might be.
I think you're right that we probably should delist him him but I won't be disappointed if we were to move him to the rookie list.

[azabob]

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Don't forget many players are still under contract

OOC

Tim English: 2024* - keep on the assumption we keep our offer as is
Bailey Smith: 2024 - keep
Riley Garcia: 2024 - keep
Jason Johannisen: 2024* - delist. Too injury prone.
Charlie Clarke: 2024 - delst. Fergus Greene vibes - underdeveloped physically and will struggle.
Alex Keath: 2024 - retire
Buku Khamis: 2024 - last six weeks decides his fate
Dominic Bedendo: 2024 - delist
Lachie McNeil: 2024 (Rookie)* Last six weeks decides his fate
Taylor Duryea: 2024 (Rookie)* His Choice to play on or retire
Kelsey Rypstra: 2024 (Rookie) - If his attitude is great, keep
Aidan O?Driscoll retired

I would like to keep Macrae and Daniel but due to their service I am happy to let them explore their options if they want to.
Tony Scott might retire - prior to his concussions and injuries he was a vital cog.

Plenty of opportunities to add to our list.

With Tasmania coming into the comp the talent pool will dilute further. Next two drafts are vital before Tasmania start getting first pick of the talent pool.