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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #286
    Re: 2024 List Management Thread

    Originally posted by G-Mo77
    I hope not. I'd rather play someone on our list who has earned their spot rather than someone who's going to clog up another spot on our list. We have enough of those types already.
    We can pick up 19yo kids that were overlooked. We were looking Gallagher at the MSD before we used a third rounder at the ND on him. I’d use Pick 5 in the MSD on a kid burning up his comp as a free hit to bring in more talented kids. But not a recycled type I agree.
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    • Mofra
      Hall of Fame
      • Dec 2006
      • 15116

      #287
      Re: 2024 List Management Thread

      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
      We can pick up 19yo kids that were overlooked. We were looking Gallagher at the MSD before we used a third rounder at the ND on him. I’d use Pick 5 in the MSD on a kid burning up his comp as a free hit to bring in more talented kids. But not a recycled type I agree.
      Was Cleary an over ager? I swear we took another one recently before the Gallagher draft. Lachie Young was as well IIRC
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      • G-Mo77
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Apr 2007
        • 9901

        #288
        Re: 2024 List Management Thread

        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
        We can pick up 19yo kids that were overlooked. We were looking Gallagher at the MSD before we used a third rounder at the ND on him. I’d use Pick 5 in the MSD on a kid burning up his comp as a free hit to bring in more talented kids. But not a recycled type I agree.
        Sorry but my level of confidence in doing this is at an all time low. I see the next Bramble, Scott, Baker, McComb taking a spot and I don't want no part of that.

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34289

          #289
          Re: 2024 List Management Thread

          Originally posted by Mofra
          Was Cleary an over ager? I swear we took another one recently before the Gallagher draft. Lachie Young was as well IIRC
          Not sure on Cleary. VDM was an overager too. We should give our draft guys some more opportunities considering they look to have nailed Freijah & Gallagher in the pick 40’s. Time to let them have a MSD Pick on a kid now.
          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • bulldogtragic
            The List Manager
            • Jan 2007
            • 34289

            #290
            Re: 2024 List Management Thread

            Originally posted by G-Mo77
            Sorry but my level of confidence in doing this is at an all time low. I see the next Bramble, Scott, Baker, McComb taking a spot and I don't want no part of that.
            100%. If we do that, I’m not on board. But I have to believe our draft guys are showing they can nail top picks and later picks. Time to give them a good MSD Pick.
            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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            • G-Mo77
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Apr 2007
              • 9901

              #291
              Re: 2024 List Management Thread

              Originally posted by bulldogtragic
              100%. If we do that, I’m not on board. But I have to believe our draft guys are showing they can nail top picks and later picks. Time to give them a good MSD Pick.
              You're talking me around but if we draft another one of these retread guys I'm coming for you. Deal?

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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34289

                #292
                Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                Originally posted by G-Mo77
                You're talking me around but if we draft another one of these retread guys I'm coming for you. Deal?
                How about, if they go for a retread we join forces and take pitch forks to WO together? I’m with you.

                Trent Bianco does nothing for us going ahead. We need more kids in to start finding some good young players. With the amount of debutants this year, I’m wishful thinking someone at the club sees kids as more important to our future than Bakers, Poulters etc. The fact we ID Gallagher for a MSD Pick tells me our draft guys can spot kids for the MSD. Then we went the retread and spent an ok pick on him. So let’s go get a kid and if it fails that’s a failure I can live with.
                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                • G-Mo77
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9901

                  #293
                  Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                  Well now that you mention it Bianco is the first one that comes to mind.

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                  • bulldogtragic
                    The List Manager
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 34289

                    #294
                    Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                    Originally posted by G-Mo77
                    Well now that you mention it Bianco is the first one that comes to mind.
                    Yep. Some posters ask about how good Milesi is. We don’t really know for sure. But he nails the top picks and has got a RS nomination from a Pick 40 odd this year (Gallagher) and a debut this week in the same draft range (Freijah). I’d say our next premiership will more likely come by giving Dom and his team more opportunity to succeed (like 5 picks last year) so to me we simply must back them in with good MSD Pick. Some rookie draft picks would be nice for them too.
                    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 45540

                      #295
                      Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                      Originally posted by Mofra
                      Was Cleary an over ager? I swear we took another one recently before the Gallagher draft. Lachie Young was as well IIRC
                      Vandermeer was an overager when we drafted him wasn't he? Ie 19 when we drafted him. I think the same with English.
                      Lachie Young was a 19yo as well albeit a rookie pick
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                      • Rocket Science
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 4870

                        #296
                        Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                        Does an expedited call on Libba's prognosis prompt us to grab an extra warm body via the MSD?

                        Who naturally debuts immediately, as is the way.
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                        • Countrydog5
                          Rookie List
                          • Dec 2023
                          • 260

                          #297
                          Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                          Originally posted by G-Mo77
                          Sorry but my level of confidence in doing this is at an all time low. I see the next Bramble, Scott, Baker, McComb taking a spot and I don't want no part of that.
                          Not sure that makes a great deal of sense? The MSD gives us a free hit to replace guys on the LTI list and they are only given a 6 month contract to begin with if I recall correctly? We'd be crazy not to look at a couple of players who fit areas of need and see how they develop over that time. We could potentially find ourselves a late bloomer ala Picko or Moz.

                          It's whether we keep them on the list long term if they don't show something that's the worry. Our list management team absolutely shouldn't be holding onto list clogger players, however that doesn't mean we shouldn't pick at all just because we haven't nailed it at 100% success rate before. That's just cutting off one's nose to spite one's face

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 67691

                            #298
                            Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                            Originally posted by Countrydog5
                            Not sure that makes a great deal of sense? The MSD gives us a free hit to replace guys on the LTI list and they are only given a 6 month contract to begin with if I recall correctly? We'd be crazy not to look at a couple of players who fit areas of need and see how they develop over that time. We could potentially find ourselves a late bloomer ala Picko or Moz.

                            It's whether we keep them on the list long term if they don't show something that's the worry. Our list management team absolutely shouldn't be holding onto list clogger players, however that doesn't mean we shouldn't pick at all just because we haven't nailed it at 100% success rate before. That's just cutting off one's nose to spite one's face
                            I prefer BT's view ie, see if there are any 19 year olds that were missed in the draft and top up with some young future prospects. There are some gems out there, just have to find them.
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                            • Axe Man
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 11490

                              #299
                              Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                              Originally posted by Countrydog5
                              Not sure that makes a great deal of sense? The MSD gives us a free hit to replace guys on the LTI list and they are only given a 6 month contract to begin with if I recall correctly? We'd be crazy not to look at a couple of players who fit areas of need and see how they develop over that time. We could potentially find ourselves a late bloomer ala Picko or Moz.

                              It's whether we keep them on the list long term if they don't show something that's the worry. Our list management team absolutely shouldn't be holding onto list clogger players, however that doesn't mean we shouldn't pick at all just because we haven't nailed it at 100% success rate before. That's just cutting off one's nose to spite one's face
                              I believe the players can nominate their contract terms - eg 6 months or 18 months. So a player with multiple clubs interested might nominate an 18 month minimum term.

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                              • Dry Rot
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 6471

                                #300
                                Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                                So we now have two spare spots, possibly three with Libba.

                                What types of players do we target with say three spots?
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