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  • Mofra
    Hall of Fame
    • Dec 2006
    • 14867

    Originally posted by jazzadogs
    I think we need to prioritise the Libba replacement. Ed and Sanders seem to be locked in to our future mids - if we can't land Rowell or Butters then we need to try and draft another mid in the first round. Freijah, West, Garcia, Luke Kennedy, Hynes, Gallagher all have questions marks over their ability to be solid AFL midfielders.
    If we can't land one of the 'big fish' then Worpel as a FA has to be considered. AFL quality, tough, and free.
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    • lemmon
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Nov 2008
      • 6500

      Originally posted by jazzadogs
      I think we need to prioritise the Libba replacement. Ed and Sanders seem to be locked in to our future mids - if we can't land Rowell or Butters then we need to try and draft another mid in the first round. Freijah, West, Garcia, Luke Kennedy, Hynes, Gallagher all have questions marks over their ability to be solid AFL midfielders.
      Agreed, and I think we'd be putting our head in the sand to ignore the Tassie connection for Sanders. They're going to throw a number at him that we simply can't and shouldn't match - I think we're going to struggle to hold onto him.

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      • jazzadogs
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Oct 2008
        • 5568

        Originally posted by lemmon

        Agreed, and I think we'd be putting our head in the sand to ignore the Tassie connection for Sanders. They're going to throw a number at him that we simply can't and shouldn't match - I think we're going to struggle to hold onto him.
        It was a fear of mine with taking Sanders early, but hopefully if he leaves it works out like losing Ward to GWS did (lost a gun but picked up Jack Macrae).

        I don't think I agree that we shouldn't match their offers, depending on how crazy they are...

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        • lemmon
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Nov 2008
          • 6500

          Originally posted by jazzadogs

          It was a fear of mine with taking Sanders early, but hopefully if he leaves it works out like losing Ward to GWS did (lost a gun but picked up Jack Macrae).

          I don't think I agree that we shouldn't match their offers, depending on how crazy they are...
          I just can't see them not throwing well over $1 million at both McKercher and Sanders and even discussing things like captaincy. It's a different scenario to Gold Coast or GWS - Tasmanians are parochial about the state, the 'six degrees of separation' feels a lot closer down here, and in those two you have the chance to attract genuine Tasmanians who will just be hitting their prime in 2028. It's the Cal Ward type of player but every footy fan in the state has some loose association with them or their auntie or their kindergarten teacher.

          If you want to get Tasmanians on board, the way to do it is to make the two Tassie kids the face of the club - I think the people putting the side together will be very aware of that and will be willing to pay the kind of salary that we just couldn't match without jeapordising other list decisions.

          There's water to go under the bridge yet, but that's my feeling on it at the moment.

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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 44270

            Originally posted by lemmon

            I just can't see them not throwing well over $1 million at both McKercher and Sanders and even discussing things like captaincy. It's a different scenario to Gold Coast or GWS - Tasmanians are parochial about the state, the 'six degrees of separation' feels a lot closer down here, and in those two you have the chance to attract genuine Tasmanians who will just be hitting their prime in 2028. It's the Cal Ward type of player but every footy fan in the state has some loose association with them or their auntie or their kindergarten teacher.

            If you want to get Tasmanians on board, the way to do it is to make the two Tassie kids the face of the club - I think the people putting the side together will be very aware of that and will be willing to pay the kind of salary that we just couldn't match without jeapordising other list decisions.

            There's water to go under the bridge yet, but that's my feeling on it at the moment.
            I've talked to Sanders father a couple of times, he's not so sure that players born in and around Launceston would be keen to move to Hobart.
            Of course money talks but in the case of Sanders he's lived away from home for a few years now and has established a new group of friends and team mates.
            There aren't a lot of players from Hobart in recent years who have made their way onto senior lists.
            Sanders will likely sign another deal with us and have that return to home option to maximise the next offer.
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            • soupman
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Nov 2007
              • 5090

              I think the key with Sanders is to pay him overs early. Can't let him fall out of contract at the wrong time. Tassie comes in 2028, so Sanders needs to be signed up through 2027 and 28 to get through their first two years of big offers, hopefully by then they've committed the big dollars elsewhere.

              Realistically, if we probably need to make him a strong offer this season that gets him through to 2030. His form these last few weeks makes that easier, we can see that he is definitely capable of perfoming at the level, and in a role that isn't always easy (half forward/5th or 6th mid). I've lost touch with what the mid range guys get with the new salary cap but I'd expect offering something in the $700-800K range, maybe even higher considering some of the offers thrown out to potential guys (The Callaghan Saints offer?). While overs, is probably what we are going to have to look at to be proactive.

              There is a chance he is more reasonable but if he has a manager they would be negligent to sign him up past Tassies introduction without getting good stuff back for it.
              I should leave it alone but you're not right

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              • Countrydog5
                Rookie List
                • Dec 2023
                • 215

                I might be whistling a different tune if he turns into a bonafide star in the next year or two, but wouldn't it be good list management to actually let him be out of contract just as Tassie enter the comp? It would give us the flexibility with cap space if we were tight and needed a relief valve(and didn't want to match a crazy big offer), and also put us in a good position draft wise because we know Tassie will have a lot of high end picks to spend. Might be a shallow way to look at it, but in the modern game where contract mean stuff all it would be nice to have options.

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                • Mofra
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 14867

                  As an aside, I hope Treloar is catching up with Petracca for a coffee in coming months...
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                  • Bornadog
                    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 66082

                    Originally posted by Mofra
                    As an aside, I hope Treloar is catching up with Petracca for a coffee in coming months...
                    Treloars wife works at Melbourne and can invite him home for dinner
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                    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 44270

                      Originally posted by Mofra
                      As an aside, I hope Treloar is catching up with Petracca for a coffee in coming months...
                      Great player but would we be in any genuine chance of landing him?
                      II really depends on how strong our list is.
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                      • Axe Man
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 10995

                        Mid-season draft prospect Tom Evans also had a bumper game for the Bendigo Pioneers in round 3 of the Coates Talent League, gathering 44 disposals, seven marks and seven rebound-50s from halfback.

                        The haul saw Evans record a round-high 205 ranking points.

                        Evans missed selection in last year’s draft but returned to the Pioneers as a 19-year-old this season.

                        The AFL mid-season rookie draft will be held on May 28.

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                        We have an open list spot - a good half back would be handy with JJ almost done and doubts on the likes of Baker and Gallagher.

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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 14867

                          Originally posted by Axe Man

                          We have an open list spot - a good half back would be handy with JJ almost done and doubts on the likes of Baker and Gallagher.
                          If we have plans to take Freijah out of defence that adds more reason to consider him.

                          The reanimated corpses of Duryea and JJ don't fill me with confidence, and Coffield can't get on the paddock.
                          Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                          • hujsh
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 11825

                            Originally posted by Mofra
                            If we have plans to take Freijah out of defence that adds more reason to consider him.

                            The reanimated corpses of Duryea and JJ don't fill me with confidence, and Coffield can't get on the paddock.
                            Necromancy would be a good point of difference from other AFL clubs
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                            • Mitcha
                              Draftee
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 708

                              Early season call.
                              JUH traded out, don't care where as long as we are compensated well enough. It's at a stage now where he is better off someone else's problem.
                              JJ and Duryea pull the pin.
                              Coffield delisted as he never gets on the park and is bog average when he is.
                              Poulter is in trouble as we don't seem to have a position for him and I'm not sure if he is actually AFL standard.
                              Artie Jones and Baker are just hanging on but at least have some leg speed but really need a good finish to the year as speed alone won't save them.
                              We also started the season one short saving a spot open for the mid season draft so assume that will be filled. So all up looks like about 5 or 6 pick without factoring in other trades in or out. Is 5 or 6 about right or too many/too few?

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                              • jazzadogs
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 5568

                                I found this list in some dark corner of the internet, the out of contract players for 2025.

                                Adam Treloar: 2025
                                Marcus Bontempelli: 2025
                                Liam Jones: 2025
                                Ed Richards: 2025
                                Luke Cleary: 2025
                                Arthur Jones: 2025
                                Laitham Vandermeer: 2025
                                Oskar Baker: 2025 (Rookie)
                                Anthony Scott: 2025
                                Caleb Poulter: 2025 (Rookie)
                                Nick Coffield: 2025
                                Lachlan Smith: 2025
                                Tom Liberatore: 2025
                                Taylor Duryea: 2025 (Rookie)
                                Jason Johannisen: 2025

                                I suspect that the 6 you have listed - Poulter, Baker, Arty, Duryea, JJ, Coffield - are certainly the least likely on that list.

                                Cleary has played himself in to another contract at this stage.
                                VDM is best 23, will get signed.
                                Smith is developing ruck and has shown improvement this year, we can't afford to let another one of them leave.
                                Liam Jones and Libba are likely to get another year each, but I think we are wise to hold off on re-signing them.

                                Anthony Scott is the other big question mark for me. A good foot soldier when he could get on the park, he is now an injury/concussion prone 30 year old (would be turning 31 prior to the 2026 season). I think he gets delisted too, unless he can demonstrate some value over the remainder of this year.

                                So 3 rookies (Baker, Poulter, Duryea) and 4 primary list (Coffield, Arty, JJ, Scott). If Jamarra requests a trade that takes us up to 8 changes, and might mean that one of Baker, Arty or Scott get another chance.

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