2025 List Management Thread

[jazzadogs]

I would not trade a first rounder straight up for Jordan Butts.
I'd certainly prefer us to land a decent player but it's not the most pressing of needs that you have to make a deal at any cost.
Lets see how we are by the end of the night

Butts for a first rounder is desperation. Allowing for injury he wasn't even best 23, with Keane, Worrell and Murray all playing more games. Murray came in and outperformed him to the point he didn't get back in to the side post injury.

Yes he would play for us, but would he make us significantly better...I'm not sure. First round picks should be reserved for players you are convinced will make your side better.

[GVGjr]

Surely a professional list management team is better then waiting for miracles? That just seems bizarre. If it was up to you Gary would you trade our first round pick for Jordan Butts? Interested to know your thoughts? Also If we don't get any one else are you worried about our defensive stocks for 2026, mainly that key back group?

I would not trade a first rounder straight up for Jordan Butts.
I'd certainly prefer us to land a decent player but it's not the most pressing of needs that you have to make a deal at any cost.
Lets see how we are by the end of the night

[Uninformed]

D'OH, yeah i shoulldve known that.

You seem unhappy about the way the club has gone about it. But which aggressive move has any other club made that would have made us better? I mean actual recruiting moves that have happened that if we had done them would have made us better?

[jeemak]

That appears to be around the mark, I know one or two here believe we are paying too much for Budarick if 37 is used but it's a reasonable return.
The Blues would be getting good value around 30 to 40 mark.

In this environment of picks today being downgraded tomorrow, I reckon Khamis is around early thirties pushed back to late thirties. Two things:

- Carlton need to make it happen
- The AFL needs to stop this false economy of concessional picks distorting the trade period as it's making everyone over-value picks vs. players who have demonstrated capability

[jeemak]

Yeah but you didn't Mal, and you went off half cocked and now all cred is lost! Boooooooo!

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re Marra sadly we could never get Thilthorpe we only had access to Marra due to him being in our NGA. We didn't have pick 1.

D'OH, yeah i shoulldve known that.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re Marra sadly we could never get Thilthorpe we only had access to Marra due to him being in our NGA. We didn't have pick 1.

D'OH, yeah i shoulldve known that.

[Grantysghost]

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot love your passion, I'm not overly bothered at this stage if we are cooling our jets for a butters deal. But...we seriously have defensive decencies that don't seem to have been fully addressed.

Budarick and Sellwood should add something to the mix.

Re Marra sadly we could never get Thilthorpe we only had access to Marra due to him being in our NGA. We didn't have pick 1.

[GVGjr]

I see Buku's value as being around pick 35, somewhere between 30-40.

25yo - prime of his career.
Contracted - this is the key part that kicks up his value from pick 50 to a second rounder.
31/47 games in the past two years - that's not quite best 23, but shows he is right in the mix.
Has played forward, back, ruck.

I think we will want to respect his wishes and move him on, but won't do it if the deal is crap.

That appears to be around the mark, I know one or two here believe we are paying too much for Budarick if 37 is used but it's a reasonable return.
The Blues would be getting good value around 30 to 40 mark.

[Aidan7557]

I hear you. I'm normally advocating to keep the list ticking over. We are often too patient with players and passive with rebuilding via the National Draft.
After 2 years of bringing in 5 players via the ND we did spend some of this years capital last year bringing in Davidson and Kennedy after trading 2025 draft picks.
We then added two players at the MSD.
That left us with little light on for draft capital hence why I mentioned we were always likely to have a quieter trade and draft period.
Had we finished top 4 it might have all looked like we were well placed but failing to make the 8 we really do look lost.

This year we had targeted 2 high profile players in Butters and Wilkie and have we got one of the across the line this year if might have painted over a few cracks.

Now we are looking for some miracles via some trades to address some gaps. We will know tomorrow night how that looks.

Surely a professional list management team is better then waiting for miracles? That just seems bizarre. If it was up to you Gary would you trade our first round pick for Jordan Butts? Interested to know your thoughts? Also If we don't get any one else are you worried about our defensive stocks for 2026, mainly that key back group?

[GVGjr]

See Gary, this is what I can't come at if this is the club's thoughts .. why was it always likely to be a bit quiet for us?..
We would just about have to be the most passive, reactive list managers and list problem-solvers going around in this league!?
I hope the club weren't going into that with that approach. For whatever reasons, we have lost considerable talent from our roster at a nett level. 2 of those talent losses just played off in a GF apparently - I wouldn't know I didn't watch the thing.

And we've another comical entry into 'The Bulldog Talent Loss Hall of Shame' about to take place where we do the"Do it to me one more time dance as GC pick up JUH and turn him into a redemption story for a pittance, whilst we cop the scorn and suck up it as oh-well? I wanna believe in a multiverse - just so that I can have comfort that there is one reality out there where we called the Crow's bluff on draft night and didn't match their bid on Jamarra and took Thilthorpe instead...
As an aside, providing that instance of the universe still had donuts...I'd like to move there.

To steal and mishmash a phrase from Walter White in Breaking Bad.. why can't we be the ones who knock? Not the one's who wait for the door to get knocked upon....
I realise I've still got my sooks on over this.. but I've just about had enough of how passive we've been, forever!!!!!!!.

We have just copped a MASSIVE legal decision against us too for the evil deeds of a club volunteer in the 80's, that has done who knows what to our bottom line (for sins that I'd argue we're being held to a higher legal standard of consequence than other institutions in this regard) and we have other clubs bemoaning our father/son success and wanting changes there... because wow haven't we just dominated the competition.. we're the reason there is so much inequity right??..Our club silverware and financial coffers must be spilling over what from all of the success our advantages have given us over the rest of the poor competition right??....... good grief.

When we won in 2016, I didn't EXPECT anything in terms of guarantee future success, that's not fair.
I did think however hope we would be able to leverage that success into other longer term structural and cultural and perception changes about our club, that would see us become more financially viable, and ultimately attractive to other players to come to. I think the club has clearly tried hard and deserved kudos for many things, but yet here we are at trade time, off the back of a bitterly disappointing and deflating end to the season, off the back of some effectively losing 2 top tier players in 12 months (Smith and JUH)..and its somehow 'always likely to be a bit quiet for us'..

I hear you. I'm normally advocating to keep the list ticking over. We are often too patient with players and passive with rebuilding via the National Draft.
After 2 years of bringing in 5 players via the ND we did spend some of this years capital last year bringing in Davidson and Kennedy after trading 2025 draft picks.
We then added two players at the MSD.
That left us with little light on for draft capital hence why I mentioned we were always likely to have a quieter trade and draft period.
Had we finished top 4 it might have all looked like we were well placed but failing to make the 8 we really do look lost.

This year we had targeted 2 high profile players in Butters and Wilkie and have we got one of the across the line this year if might have painted over a few cracks.

Now we are looking for some miracles via some trades to address some gaps. We will know tomorrow night how that looks.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

It was always likely to be a bit quiet for us but as some of the bigger moves happen opportunities might arise.

See Gary, this is what I can't come at if this is the club's thoughts .. why was it always likely to be a bit quiet for us?..
We would just about have to be the most passive, reactive list managers and list problem-solvers going around in this league!?
I hope the club weren't going into that with that approach. For whatever reasons, we have lost considerable talent from our roster at a nett level. 2 of those talent losses just played off in a GF apparently - I wouldn't know I didn't watch the thing.

And we've another comical entry into 'The Bulldog Talent Loss Hall of Shame' about to take place where we do the"Do it to me one more time dance as GC pick up JUH and turn him into a redemption story for a pittance, whilst we cop the scorn and suck up it as oh-well? I wanna believe in a multiverse - just so that I can have comfort that there is one reality out there where we called the Crow's bluff on draft night and didn't match their bid on Jamarra and took Thilthorpe instead...
As an aside, providing that instance of the universe still had donuts...I'd like to move there.

To steal and mishmash a phrase from Walter White in Breaking Bad.. why can't we be the ones who knock? Not the one's who wait for the door to get knocked upon....


I realise I've still got my sooks on over this.. but I've just about had enough of how passive we've been, forever!!!!!!!.

We have just copped a MASSIVE legal decision against us too for the evil deeds of a club volunteer in the 80's, that has done who knows what to our bottom line (for sins that I'd argue we're being held to a higher legal standard of consequence than other institutions in this regard) and we have other clubs bemoaning our father/son success and wanting changes there... because wow haven't we just dominated the competition.. we're the reason there is so much inequity right??..Our club silverware and financial coffers must be spilling over what from all of the success our advantages have given us over the rest of the poor competition right??....... good grief.

When we won in 2016, I didn't EXPECT anything in terms of guarantee future success, that's not fair.
I did think however hope we would be able to leverage that success into other longer term structural and cultural and perception changes about our club, that would see us become more financially viable, and ultimately attractive to other players to come to. I think the club has clearly tried hard and deserved kudos for many things, but yet here we are at trade time, off the back of a bitterly disappointing and deflating end to the season, off the back of some effectively losing 2 top tier players in 12 months (Smith and JUH)..and its somehow 'always likely to be a bit quiet for us'..

[GVGjr]

Pretty underwhelming trade period so far. Hopefully we make a move soon. Are we thinking any moves get done other then Buku jamarra and budarick ?

It was always likely to be a bit quiet for us but as some of the bigger moves happen opportunities might arise.

[Bulldogs201616]

Pretty underwhelming trade period so far. Hopefully we make a move soon. Are we thinking any moves get done other then Buku jamarra and budarick ?

[Uninformed]

A very quick age bracket of our squad:

18-23: (17)
O’Donnell, Busslinger, Freijah, Darcy, Sanders, Hynes, Croft
Cleary, Sellwood, Jaques, Kennedy, Gallagher, Poulter, Dolan, Walker, Jones, Smith

24-29: (17)
Dale, Budarick, Williams, Davidson, Naughton, Kennedy, Weightman, West, English, Richards, Bramble
Gardner, Coffield, Baker, Vandermeer, McNeil, Garcia

30+: (6)
Lobb, Bontempelli, Liberatore, Treloar
Harmes, Johannisen

Makes sense to only bring on 2-3 kids as they nearly make up half the squad already!

The 18-23's look very promising. Maybe only a couple of misses in that lot.