2025 List Management Thread

[whythelongface]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

So now we are up to the Delisted Free Agency period that runs from Nov 1 to Nov 8. What actually happens during this period? If there is a DFA that we want surely it doesn’t take a whole week for a club to negotiate terms and conditions. The whole trade / draft window nearly drags on as long as a US election (don’t get me started on this).

Wonder if we will pick up a DFA for 2025.

[Jasper]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

Chances are next off season will be a big one. Really need to get this Draft right and start pick up some good Free agents.

Chances are the following will retire:

Libba
Doc
L.Jones
JJ

The following are on the chopping block without a big uptick in performance:

Cleary
Scott - Not a bad player but 30 odd now with concussion history doesn?t bode well for him.
Baker

The others in danger are:

Coffield - Needs to get some consistency with the body. I hope he becomes a regular next year, but needs to build on this year.
Gardiner - would rather keep. Good insurance policy.
A.Jones - I like him, but the writing is on the wall if he doesn?t get played.
Poulter - As above

The sort of turnover we see next year will be a ireal test for the list management team. We don?t seem to have the advantages of picking up free agents or trading in proven footballers that other sides do.

You have nailed it Bigdog. We are very likely to have a clean out next years. There are a lot of players that should be duly incentivized.

[Virgin-Dog]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

Cleary another likely departure unless he improves dramatically next season.

I missed him, yes he'd be close to the first unless there's major improvement

Surely Scott, Jones, Jones, Baker, Poulter, Duryea, Coffield, JJ would have to do a lot right to stay on the list in 2026.

Coffield and Baker are the two I see as most likely to stick around another year, but it's far from a given

[azabob]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

I hope we don't cut too deep, can mean taking a huge hit to our depth.

We pretty much definitely will extend Treloar, Richards, O'Donnell, Bramble, VDM, Bont and Darcy. If they're interested in playing on, then Libba and LJones are chances of going on into 2026 but far from certainties.

JJ and Duryea likely retire. Leaves us with Scott, AJones, Poulter, Smith, Coffield and Baker.

Every season we see 1 or 2 trade outs or FA departures. So that could be as many as 12 changes if additional players leave, which feels like too deep of a cut at once.

Surely Scott, Jones, Jones, Baker, Poulter, Duryea, Coffield, JJ would have to do a lot right to stay on the list in 2026.

[Axe Man]

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I hope we don't cut too deep, can mean taking a huge hit to our depth.

We pretty much definitely will extend Treloar, Richards, O'Donnell, Bramble, VDM, Bont and Darcy. If they're interested in playing on, then Libba and LJones are chances of going on into 2026 but far from certainties.

JJ and Duryea likely retire. Leaves us with Scott, AJones, Poulter, Smith, Coffield and Baker.

Every season we see 1 or 2 trade outs or FA departures. So that could be as many as 12 changes if additional players leave, which feels like too deep of a cut at once.

Cleary another likely departure unless he improves dramatically next season.

[Virgin-Dog]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

Unless some of the more marginal players turn it around in 25 it seems like we are headed for a bigger clean out of players next year so getting the balance right now is the right thing to do. While we could have made the hard call on JJ, his form has been good enough and it's not like he's lost his run but it's more of a question about if he can stay fit enough next year.

I hope we don't cut too deep, can mean taking a huge hit to our depth.

We pretty much definitely will extend Treloar, Richards, O'Donnell, Bramble, VDM, Bont and Darcy. If they're interested in playing on, then Libba and LJones are chances of going on into 2026 but far from certainties.

JJ and Duryea likely retire. Leaves us with Scott, AJones, Poulter, Smith, Coffield and Baker.

Every season we see 1 or 2 trade outs or FA departures. So that could be as many as 12 changes if additional players leave, which feels like too deep of a cut at once.

[GVGjr]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

No I do not think the number of delistings is a testament to our overall list management over the past few years.

You need to also take into account contract status and realistically how many players do you want to turn over in one off season.

Through trade, retirements and delistings for mine we have hit the right amount. Maybe JJ could have been one more.

If you look at the players coming out of contract at then end of 2025 I think you will see more players who could have gone this year.

Unless some of the more marginal players turn it around in 25 it seems like we are headed for a bigger clean out of players next year so getting the balance right now is the right thing to do. While we could have made the hard call on JJ, his form has been good enough and it's not like he's lost his run but it's more of a question about if he can stay fit enough next year.

[bulldogtragic]

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No I do not think the number of delistings is a testament to our overall list management over the past few years.

You need to also take into account contract status and realistically how many players do you want to turn over in one off season.

Through trade, retirements and delistings for mine we have hit the right amount. Maybe JJ could have been one more.

If you look at the players coming out of contract at then end of 2025 I think you will see more players who could have gone this year.

Yep. Cyclical. 2025 will be a bigger number.

[azabob]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

Looking at the AFL site list of who has left each club, we had the equal third lowest number of delistings. Ours was 3 (equal with Dees and Lions). GWS delisted 2 and the Tigers zero.

Of the 8 that left us, three were traded for good returns. The Tigers also had 3 of 8 and GWS the most with 4 of 7.

By contrast Geelong lost 9 with 7 delisted and no trades.

I know everyone thinks Geelong are list management geniuses, but I think our list must be in better shape because our cast-offs are worth something, even going back t0 Lipinski, Cordy, Hunter and Stringer. (You can't perhaps list Dunkley as a cast-off, I suppose)

Anyway, the Cats had 7 duds to our 2. Only GWS and Tigs. had less duds than us this year.

I wonder if this is testament to our recruiting, trading and list management over the past few years?

No I do not think the number of delistings is a testament to our overall list management over the past few years.

You need to also take into account contract status and realistically how many players do you want to turn over in one off season.

Through trade, retirements and delistings for mine we have hit the right amount. Maybe JJ could have been one more.

If you look at the players coming out of contract at then end of 2025 I think you will see more players who could have gone this year.

[Uninformed]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

Looking at the AFL site list of who has left each club, we had the equal third lowest number of delistings. Ours was 3 (equal with Dees and Lions). GWS delisted 2 and the Tigers zero.

Of the 8 that left us, three were traded for good returns. The Tigers also had 3 of 8 and GWS the most with 4 of 7.

By contrast Geelong lost 9 with 7 delisted and no trades.

I know everyone thinks Geelong are list management geniuses, but I think our list must be in better shape because our cast-offs are worth something, even going back t0 Lipinski, Cordy, Hunter and Stringer. (You can't perhaps list Dunkley as a cast-off, I suppose)

Anyway, the Cats had 7 duds to our 2. Only GWS and Tigs. had less duds than us this year.

I wonder if this is testament to our recruiting, trading and list management over the past few years?

[Warrnambulldog]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

Would be a good draft outcome. Might depend on what players we like in the draft. We might like someone in the vfl who?ll likely be a later pick anyway. 35/48 in this deep draft might be juicy once the bids have eaten some picks in front of us

[bulldogtragic]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

So given our current selections (17, 25, 35, 48) obviously these will be moved back with FS and Academy picks being matched etc.

But should we be looking at bundling these picks for something sooner?

17 = 879
25 = 590
35 = 338
48 = 150
Total = 1,957 ... this is equivalent to 1964 (ish) or Pick 4. Given Richmond have an abundance of early picks, could we look at trading for Pick 6 (1,659) points?

(I feel like I'm taking BTs role here )

And ... If we do trade these picks, what happens with our other positions we need to fill? Obviously, we get one pick, but we need to fill at least four positions???

Does that make sense??

Richmond need to offload picks, not bring in another four this year. And since they don’t need draft points, a points trade seems highly unlikely.

As I’ve said, if we are looking improve our hand maybe an F1 & 17 for 11 & 24 off Tigers. 35 & 48 for 27 or 28 as those are likely points trade picks.

11, 24, 25 & 27/28. Four picks inside 28 is the best draft hand after Richmond. Plus two recycled players to fill out 6 spots.

That’s to me the highest possible outcome we could go for. Which would be sublime if we could pull it off.

[Rocket Science]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

Witherden was at WC for the last 4 seasons and they just let him go. FWIW I think Rayner seems settled up in QLD

[Scraggers]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

So given our current selections (17, 25, 35, 48) obviously these will be moved back with FS and Academy picks being matched etc.

But should we be looking at bundling these picks for something sooner?

17 = 879
25 = 590
35 = 338
48 = 150
Total = 1,957 ... this is equivalent to 1964 (ish) or Pick 4. Given Richmond have an abundance of early picks, could we look at trading for Pick 6 (1,659) points?

(I feel like I'm taking BTs role here )

And ... If we do trade these picks, what happens with our other positions we need to fill? Obviously, we get one pick, but we need to fill at least four positions???

Does that make sense??

[Grantysghost]

Re: 2025 List Management Thread

Appears the Lions have just shown Alex Witherden the door which isn't necessarily news until one notes he's tight AF with Cam Rayner ...

Scrays next skipper?

That's Tom Clurey.