What are you watching at the moment

[anfo27]

Re: What are you watching at the moment

Wait till you see the full 10 eps and you may change your mind.

I watched all 10 episodes bad and have no idea how you have come to that conclusion. There isn't a shred of evidence that says to me that he did it, in fact all the evidence says he didn't do it. Elaborate on why you think he did it bad?

The jinx is the next one on the list.

[Bornadog]

Re: What are you watching at the moment

I watched all 10 episodes bad and have no idea how you have come to that conclusion. There isn't a shred of evidence that says to me that he did it, in fact all the evidence says he didn't do it. Elaborate on why you think he did it bad?

The jinx is the next one on the list.

1. She was at the Avery Place around the time of her death

2. Her Blood in the Rav 4

3. Steve's blood in the Rav 4

4. The Burn pit on the property

5. Bullet with her blood and keys with his DNA

I still think the nephew was telling the truth in the first confession, then he changed his mind when he found out he wouldn't be going home.

No law enforcement would plant that sort of stuff and allow the real killer to be still running around.

[Twodogs]

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Something I don't understand. If the vial of Avery's blood had been laying on its side for ten years with a hole in the top why didn't it flow out?

I'll hold off answering your questions BAD until I've seen all ten but there are going to be some pretty major revelations to change my mind. I don't like Sherriff Petersen, I've met his type of law enforcement in the past. Thugs with badges is all his type are.

[anfo27]

Re: What are you watching at the moment

1. She was at the Avery Place around the time of her death

2. Her Blood in the Rav 4

3. Steve's blood in the Rav 4

4. The Burn pit on the property

5. Bullet with her blood and keys with his DNA

I still think the nephew was telling the truth in the first confession, then he changed his mind when he found out he wouldn't be going home.

No law enforcement would plant that sort of stuff and allow the real killer to be still running around.

1. She was last seen at his place so i can't debate that one. Although the evidence given by his 2 neighbours clearly don't add up.

2. Her blood in the car is evidence he didn't do it. If he killed her at his place in the garage or bedroom why would he put her in the back of the car to transport her when the burn pit was like 20m from his house.

3. Steves blood was clearly planted there bad. There was no other DNA or fingerprints in the car, not a hair, nothing! The only place he could have had the blood come from was his hand and if there are no fingerprints, then he was wearing gloves, if he is wearing gloves then where does the blood come from? He had a vial of blood in his case file from 85 that was proven that someone from the sheriffs department broke the seal and took a sample of his blood.

5. The bullet with her blood was inconclusive. The test was contaminated and they went against their own protocol to include the results as evidence. Where is the blood if she was shot in the garage? They would have found something if she was really shot there.

The keys only had his DNA no fingerprints though. It was her keys and her DNA was not on the keys! Clearly the keys were planted by the sheriffs department. That room had been searched for 2 days previously and they found nothing. Then miraculously 2 officers who were not allowed to be there found the keys on the floor in plain view of everyone. Either Stevie Wonder searched that room the first 2 days or Lenk & Colborn are dodgy and they both have form in that regard.

Clearly the nephew had no idea what he was saying, he was coerced to say what the officers wanted. He said the lady was stabbed and had her throat slit on the bed and there was not a drop of blood on the mattress, carpet, walls or anywhere in that house or garage.

Bad they knew he was not the perpetrater in the first crime and they let him rot in prison for 18 years while the real offender was still out there.

[anfo27]

Re: What are you watching at the moment

Something I don't understand. If the vial of Avery's blood had been laying on its side for ten years with a hole in the top why didn't it flow out?

I'll hold off answering your questions BAD until I've seen all ten but there are going to be some pretty major revelations to change my mind. I don't like Sherriff Petersen, I've met his type of law enforcement in the past. Thugs with badges is all his type are.

I assume its like the saline bottles you get where you can keep putting a needle through the top of it every time you need to use it. You can prick a hole in those things a hundred times and there is no leakage when you flip the bottle upside down.

[Bornadog]

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1. She was last seen at his place so i can't debate that one. Although the evidence given by his 2 neighbours clearly don't add up.

2. Her blood in the car is evidence he didn't do it. If he killed her at his place in the garage or bedroom why would he put her in the back of the car to transport her when the burn pit was like 20m from his house.

3. Steves blood was clearly planted there bad. There was no other DNA or fingerprints in the car, not a hair, nothing! The only place he could have had the blood come from was his hand and if there are no fingerprints, then he was wearing gloves, if he is wearing gloves then where does the blood come from? He had a vial of blood in his case file from 85 that was proven that someone from the sheriffs department broke the seal and took a sample of his blood.

5. The bullet with her blood was inconclusive. The test was contaminated and they went against their own protocol to include the results as evidence. Where is the blood if she was shot in the garage? They would have found something if she was really shot there.

The keys only had his DNA no fingerprints though. It was her keys and her DNA was not on the keys! Clearly the keys were planted by the sheriffs department. That room had been searched for 2 days previously and they found nothing. Then miraculously 2 officers who were not allowed to be there found the keys on the floor in plain view of everyone. Either Stevie Wonder searched that room the first 2 days or Lenk & Colborn are dodgy and they both have form in that regard.

Clearly the nephew had no idea what he was saying, he was coerced to say what the officers wanted. He said the lady was stabbed and had her throat slit on the bed and there was not a drop of blood on the mattress, carpet, walls or anywhere in that house or garage.

Bad they knew he was not the perpetrator in the first crime and they let him rot in prison for 18 years while the real offender was still out there.

On point 3, the FBI proved the blood could not have come from the sample.

Yes your points are valid, but I still think he did it. He had 5 days to clean up a lot of evidence and with the burn pit right on his property and he was seen standing next to the bonfire, I still feel he thought he could get away with it.

In the first case, there was no DNA then and the victim picked him out as he looked like the real perpetrator.

On a side note, god those people are real hill billies and very simple people. I do feel sorry for the nephew.

[anfo27]

Re: What are you watching at the moment

On point 3, the FBI proved the blood could not have come from the sample.

Yes your points are valid, but I still think he did it. He had 5 days to clean up a lot of evidence and with the burn pit right on his property and he was seen standing next to the bonfire, I still feel he thought he could get away with it.

In the first case, there was no DNA then and the victim picked him out as he looked like the real perpetrator.

On a side note, god those people are real hill billies and very simple people. I do feel sorry for the nephew.

The FBI used a test that they stopped using 10 years previously because the test was inaccurate. The FBI had 6 samples and only bothered to test 3. Averys lawyers even had an expert testify that the test they used is useless because its inaccurate.

He might have had 5 days but they had 8 days to plant evidence. And if he was so good at cleaning up, how does he miss her keys just sitting on the floor in his room? As you said they are hillbillies up there, no way a hillbilly can clean up like that, not one hair or drop of blood anywhere.

In the first case bad Steve Avery had something like 20 witnesses who could corroborate his alibi. The victim also described the perpetrator as being quite taller than Steve & with blue eyes, Avery has brown eyes. Clearly they were out to get him.

[Twodogs]

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On point 3, the FBI proved the blood could not have come from the sample.

Yes your points are valid, but I still think he did it. He had 5 days to clean up a lot of evidence and with the burn pit right on his property and he was seen standing next to the bonfire, I still feel he thought he could get away with it.

In the first case, there was no DNA then and the victim picked him out as he looked like the real perpetrator.

On a side note, god those people are real hill billies and very simple people. I do feel sorry for the nephew.

Me too. His mum is a bit of a fishwife but I sympathise with her a bit too. She's got a dog in every fight in this shambles.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: What are you watching at the moment

Citizen Four, the doco of the real time leaks and interviews with Edward Snowden.

This is some seriously scary shit the US government is doing globally with metadata and their ever improving super computers that process over 1,000,000,000 calls/emails concurrently...

I guess I'm now on that list for mentioning it on the Internet.

[Twodogs]

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Pfft. I've been on the list for years. Being n the list isn't so bad. Giving them cause to examine the list is when the problems arise.

[Twodogs]

Re: What are you watching at the moment

1. She was at the Avery Place around the time of her death

2. Her Blood in the Rav 4

3. Steve's blood in the Rav 4

4. The Burn pit on the property

5. Bullet with her blood and keys with his DNA

I still think the nephew was telling the truth in the first confession, then he changed his mind when he found out he wouldn't be going home.

No law enforcement would plant that sort of stuff and allow the real killer to be still running around.

Halbach's brother sitting on the stand and lying about the phone messages in Ep 6 doesn't concern you? I can understand why he desperately wants to believe Avery is guilty and wants him punished (I'd probably feel the same way in his shoes, but i wouldn't lie about it, especially under oath, that's particularly stupid and immoral besides) but perjuring himself on the stand isn't the right thing to do.

A court and all its officer's first duty is to the truth and they are singularly failing to try and find the truth. They want to fit the facts to back up their version of events in order to pot Avery. Kratz and Petersen are the actual criminals in this case and I hope it's not to late to make an example of them. The common law is what protects ordinary people from persecution by the state and authority. If we allow that to be abused by legal officials without calling them out then we are all weakened.

I see Anonymous are taking up Avery's case. If I were any of the senior police or law officials that were involved in the Avery prosecution I would be making travel arrangements to a country that has no extradition treaty with the States quick smart. When this turns and Avery is exonerated then the public opinion and decent, honest police and Judicial figures will be quick to judgement on those officers who lied and treated the public with contempt. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

[Twodogs]

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[B]Yes your points are valid, but I still think he did it. He had 5 days to clean up a lot of evidence and with the burn pit right on his property and he was seen standing next to the bonfire, I still feel he thought he could get away with it.

That's not proof beyond reasonable doubt. The state has the onus of proof and that means they have to prove that Avery did it. What you feel and "thought he could get away with it" doesn't enter into the deliberations. It's what is proven beyond reasonable doubt. And the prosecution has proven nothing. Apart from the fact that they will lie and cheat to get their own way. I wouldn't accept that sort of behaviour from my kids and I certainly aren't going to accept it here.

[Dry Rot]

Re: What are you watching at the moment

If you like Le Carre style of spying

The Game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYe-DQnzPtM

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+game+bbc

[Dry Rot]

Re: What are you watching at the moment

DEUTSCHLAND 83 - best thing I've seen this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmdviatN_0

Craps on Homeland and is a good as The Americans

[Twodogs]

Re: What are you watching at the moment

DEUTSCHLAND 83 - best thing I've seen this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmdviatN_0

Craps on Homeland and is a good as The Americans

Cheers. I forgot about that. I saw it in the shop. Looks good.