Commonwealth Games

[bulldogtragic]

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Interesting take to say the least. I sincerely hope you're not a small businessman who won a hard-fought tender to provide services for the Comm Games and have lost your entire livelihood overnight, having invested all your finite resources into a signed contract in the mistaken belief that it was watertight.

I also hope you aren't one of the elite athletes training 4 hours a day and 7 days a week for your one shot at glory, only for it to be taken away overnight forcing you to wait 4 long years for another chance.

There will be many such sad stories that will come out in the next few weeks, and they will be heartbreaking to hear.

The paraphrase Chopper, they?re serving 7 years Jimmy. 7 years.

Three years for the cancel. Four years to the next games due in 2030. A great deal of athletes won?t ever participate or participate again having lost 7 years.

[jeemak]

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on another note, I was on Hoodle street today and noticed there was green metal fences running all the way from Johnstone street to Victoria street . Complete waste of money . Only someone off their head would dare cross that street . that is just one example of huge wastage.

That's literally the place in Melbourne with the highest concentration of people off their heads.

[Bornadog]

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Interesting take to say the least. I sincerely hope you're not a small businessman who won a hard-fought tender to provide services for the Comm Games and have lost your entire livelihood overnight, having invested all your finite resources into a signed contract in the mistaken belief that it was watertight.

I also hope you aren't one of the elite athletes training 4 hours a day and 7 days a week for your one shot at glory, only for it to be taken away overnight forcing you to wait 4 long years for another chance.

There will be many such sad stories that will come out in the next few weeks, and they will be heartbreaking to hear.

$2 billion is still going to be spent on Infrastructure, housing and tourism.

At the end of the day would you rather spend $7 billion for 12 days of sport or $2 billion that will deliver infrastructure and jobs for regional areas.

For the Gov to cancel there must be some damning issues that brought this decision on.

I do feel for athletes, but Olympics are on next year and there are many other events like World Championships.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Its a bit hard to hide 7.5 billion .... who were they going to award these contracts to ?

Where was the competitive tender here ?

They thing they are hiding is how and why it got to be $7B.

There is no justification to spend that but there is no justification of why that was the amount needed.

I read that the last games cost $1.7b.

Is Victoria now the inflation capital of the world or is this just some numbers thrown out to justify a decision.

There is no transparency but the public is supposed to just accept it and not question the lack of competence from this goveernment.

[Bornadog]

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They thing they are hiding is how and why it got to be $7B.

There is no justification to spend that but there is no justification of why that was the amount needed.

I read that the last games cost $1.7b.

Is Victoria now the inflation capital of the world or is this just some numbers thrown out to justify a decision.

There is no transparency but the public is supposed to just accept it and not question the lack of competence from this goveernment.

Agree a break down needs to be shown.

[hujsh]

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If they were to do that they'd have to drastically expand the public service. Not sure anyone wants that.

However, what they should be doing is running appropriately governed tender processes and completely de-coupling from the partners who run the big firms and hold dep-sec level relationships. Government tenders are very rarely objectively awarded.

I think anyone could see from the outset this was going to end in tears. Whilst it's disappointing for the athletes they can still train to compete, it just won't be in Australia.

Yeah just do that. It will be cheaper. It will be better. It's legit simpler. I spent 4 weeks on a project waiting for access/an account for a state government (not Vic). Even when it's not a big parasitic corporation sucking us dry there's all these small roadblocks and other crap that comes up bringing in an external workforce and everything becomes more expensive than if you just had a pool of full time employees (devs, PMs etc) working on projects as they come up. Just fund the public service and give people decent stable jobs it's not a bad thing.

[jeemak]

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Yeah just do that. It will be cheaper. It will be better. It's legit simpler. I spent 4 weeks on a project waiting for access/an account for a state government (not Vic). Even when it's not a big parasitic corporation sucking us dry there's all these small roadblocks and other crap that comes up bringing in an external workforce and everything becomes more expensive than if you just had a pool of full time employees (devs, PMs etc) working on projects as they come up. Just fund the public service and give people decent stable jobs it's not a bad thing.

You'd have to accept the transition to a larger and more capable public service would take decades, and be willing in the short term to pay top dollar to secure the talent to start it. When I say I'm not sure anyone wants that - that's what I mean.

Trust me, I don't subscribe to the view of the private sector doing things more efficiently when you take actual service delivery into account. Though I just don't see anyone wanting to be in for the long haul of undoing the transference of knowledge and capability (and wealth) to the private sector that's occurred these past thirty or forty years.

[Grantysghost]

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Yeah just do that. It will be cheaper. It will be better. It's legit simpler. I spent 4 weeks on a project waiting for access/an account for a state government (not Vic). Even when it's not a big parasitic corporation sucking us dry there's all these small roadblocks and other crap that comes up bringing in an external workforce and everything becomes more expensive than if you just had a pool of full time employees (devs, PMs etc) working on projects as they come up. Just fund the public service and give people decent stable jobs it's not a bad thing.

Our biggest issue currently is negative vetting.

It's required for access to our systems, and it's taking up to 12 months to gain after sponsorship.

We can't hire people, then when we do they don't have access for a year.

Fun times.

P. S. This message will self destruct in 30 minutes.

[Bornadog]

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You'd have to accept the transition to a larger and more capable public service would take decades, and be willing in the short term to pay top dollar to secure the talent to start it. When I say I'm not sure anyone wants that - that's what I mean.

Trust me, I don't subscribe to the view of the private sector doing things more efficiently when you take actual service delivery into account. Though I just don't see anyone wanting to be in for the long haul of undoing the transference of knowledge and capability (and wealth) to the private sector that's occurred these past thirty or forty years.

Head of Deloties was before the Senate Committee yesterday. He earns 7 times more than the PM - something like $3 Million plus. The senate asked him are you worth the money and he said NO

I agree there has to be a balance between Public service and using Private consultants and robust tenders.

A few years ago, a friend was asked to join an IT committee to look at IT systems in Hospitals. when looking at costs he couldn't believe the Private sector was charging fees 50% more than the market fees. No one seems accountable in public service.

[Bulldog Joe]

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You'd have to accept the transition to a larger and more capable public service would take decades, and be willing in the short term to pay top dollar to secure the talent to start it. When I say I'm not sure anyone wants that - that's what I mean.

Trust me, I don't subscribe to the view of the private sector doing things more efficiently when you take actual service delivery into account. Though I just don't see anyone wanting to be in for the long haul of undoing the transference of knowledge and capability (and wealth) to the private sector that's occurred these past thirty or forty years.

Surely that is the definition of Mission Impossible

Larger does not make anything more capable.

The great problem with public employment is the lack of responsibility for outcomes.

Bureaucracy becomes about the process and outcomes just interfere with the process.

The Private sector can be more efficient when their remuneration is actually determined by service delivery.

The problem we have is that the only organisations eligible to tender are bureaucracies set up to bleed the public and there is no accountability in cost over runs.

[macca]

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Head of Deloties was before the Senate Committee yesterday. He earns 7 times more than the PM - something like $3 Million plus. The senate asked him are you worth the money and he said NO

I agree there has to be a balance between Public service and using Private consultants and robust tenders.

A few years ago, a friend was asked to join an IT committee to look at IT systems in Hospitals. when looking at costs he couldn't believe the Private sector was charging fees 50% more than the market fees. No one seems accountable in public service.

They got away with it to whoever they gave the money to. Its not about delivering quality service, its about creating the perception of providing the service at what every kwality you can get away with.

The IT management for that hospital or health organization maybe just be comfortable in their lame competence (euphemism) as they could not build the talent and had to use the excuse of private sector.

Its a hospital IT system, every hospital needs the same IT systems like them, its nothing unique that they have .

[SonofScray]

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Disappointing news today, though the arguments against the event always see,Ed to have so,e credibility.

For me, I love these events and thought it was fairly innovative to try and take it to regional centres. Pulling out is a bad look, even if it is the smart move. Really torn. If you’re a BMX club or a sport that doesn’t get a look in usually, this would sting.

[GVGjr]

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Disappointing news today, though the arguments against the event always see,Ed to have so,e credibility.

For me, I love these events and thought it was fairly innovative to try and take it to regional centres. Pulling out is a bad look, even if it is the smart move. Really torn. If you’re a BMX club or a sport that doesn’t get a look in usually, this would sting.

For a lot of sports they don't get to make it to the Olympics so this is their equivalent. Listened to Bianca Chatfield talk about her Com games experience and she is exceptionally disappointed for the netballers especially since we have the venues in place.

[G-Mo77]

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Just disappointing. I was looking forward to this coming to Bendigo, lots of promises made to regional areas and now nothing. I get why, just disappointed.

[hujsh]

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You'd have to accept the transition to a larger and more capable public service would take decades, and be willing in the short term to pay top dollar to secure the talent to start it. When I say I'm not sure anyone wants that - that's what I mean.

Trust me, I don't subscribe to the view of the private sector doing things more efficiently when you take actual service delivery into account. Though I just don't see anyone wanting to be in for the long haul of undoing the transference of knowledge and capability (and wealth) to the private sector that's occurred these past thirty or forty years.

Appreciate the clarification