ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

[Sedat]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

Disagree. All balls are created equal.

You know how much I enjoy being a contrarian. No problems whatsoever legally - it's out every day of the week and twice on Sundays. If it was me batting and it was mid-over I'd be dirty at myself for being an idiot. If it was the last ball of the over and I was breathing a sign of relief getting to the end of the over with my wicket still intact, I'd probably approach the keeper like Javed did to Lillee and start a brawl, but that's just me. I completely understand the counter-argument.

Disagree. If the metric to be used is going to be "that's the rules" then the rules also apply to Bairstow's wicket. The fact that they're different types of decisions is irrelevant.

See above. There's grey in life and this is one of those times IMO. Again, I understand the counter-argument 100%

Agree, test match cricket, and more specifically Ashes test match cricket, is so far advanced of any other form of cricket it's not funny.

Yep. If England go back into their shell, what do we have left in test cricket? The jig is almost up for the long form of the game if we are going to have dull, dreary summers with shit opponents like we've had the last couple of years. And if that happens and we have to endure endless T20/One Hundred style franchise tournaments, the game is basically cooked except in India.

[EasternWest]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

You know how much I enjoy being a contrarian. No problems whatsoever legally - it's out every day of the week and twice on Sundays. If it was me batting and it was mid-over I'd be dirty at myself for being an idiot. If it was the last ball of the over and I was breathing a sign of relief getting to the end of the over with my wicket still intact, I'd probably approach the keeper like Javed did to Lillee and start a brawl, but that's just me. I completely understand the counter-argument.


See above. There's grey in life and this is one of those times IMO. Again, I understand the counter-argument 100%


Yep. If England go back into their shell, what do we have left in test cricket? The jig is almost up for the long form of the game if we are going to have dull, dreary summers with shit opponents like we've had the last couple of years. And if that happens and we have to endure endless T20/One Hundred style franchise tournaments, the game is basically cooked except in India.

Of course the only resolution to a reasoned disagreement is Nets.

[Grantysghost]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

Again for the people in the nosebleeds: it's not comparing the wickets it's the application of the rules.

Theyre different rules, so they are applied differently.
Fmd.
For eg in afl. We have a video review for the the goal or behind law.
We don't for holding the ball.

Different applications for different rules.

Maybe I need chat gpt to clear it up for you

[mjp]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

The Carey 'thinking man's act' / dog act depending on your point of view could very well cost England the next test as well if they're not careful.

The carry on in all levels of media is ridiculous right now and it is as if their captain has forgotten that in order to win a test match you need to take 20-wickets, not one.

Some genuine soul searching is needed right now not 'anger and fury' about a single dismissal that 100% influenced the result but was hardly the key determinate of the win.

[Sedat]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

The Carey 'thinking man's act' / dog act depending on your point of view could very well cost England the next test as well if they're not careful.

The carry on in all levels of media is ridiculous right now and it is as if their captain has forgotten that in order to win a test match you need to take 20-wickets, not one.

Some genuine soul searching is needed right now not 'anger and fury' about a single dismissal that 100% influenced the result but was hardly the key determinate of the win.

Yep. They have played some really dumb, arrogant cricket at crucial times in the series so far. It's almost like they are trying to prove they will never back down against the arch enemy, and are prepared to fall on their sword as justification for their "method" instead of respecting each ball that is bowled to them. The aggressive approach is fine so long as it is tempered with respect for good balls and, particularly, for the obvious field placings and short ball traps.

This Bairstow dismissal "furore" will either galvanise them to storm back into the series, or it will make them implode and they lose 5-0. It has definitely gotten the UK public invested in the remainder of the series - expect a very rowdy crowd at Headingley next test (they are uncouth at the best of times).

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

The British really do have glass jaws. But of course they'd have withdrawn the appeal if Bairstow had have hit the wickets when he did the exact thing Carey did.

I actually can't tell if this is a pisstake or if this guy's genuinely excusing the carry on from the old money shitheads in the Long Room.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/woke-australia-their-cut-throat-behaviour-sparked-death-of-decorum-at-lord-s-20230703-p5dla5.html

Woke Australia? Their cut-throat behaviour sparked death of decorum at Lord?s

Given it was the age I thought an Australian journalist wrote it. But it's via the Telegraph.

The guy has said Carey better enlist his own private security for the next test and that he deserves everything that comes his way. Whingeing poms at their worst.

[jeemak]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

Yep. They have played some really dumb, arrogant cricket at crucial times in the series so far. It's almost like they are trying to prove they will never back down against the arch enemy, and are prepared to fall on their sword as justification for their "method" instead of respecting each ball that is bowled to them. The aggressive approach is fine so long as it is tempered with respect for good balls and, particularly, for the obvious field placings and short ball traps.

This Bairstow dismissal "furore" will either galvanise them to storm back into the series, or it will make them implode and they lose 5-0. It has definitely gotten the UK public invested in the remainder of the series - expect a very rowdy crowd at Headingley next test (they are uncouth at the best of times).

I think they'll regret putting up ordinary and relatively lifeless decks. Their pace attack needs as much help as it can get and ours is too solid to expect to offset that by belting the ball around, arrogantly like you say.

[EasternWest]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

Theyre different rules, so they are applied differently.
Fmd.
For eg in afl. We have a video review for the the goal or behind law.
We don't for holding the ball.

Different applications for different rules.

Maybe I need chat gpt to clear it up for you

But they're still rules. That's the end of it.

[macca]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

England would be kicking themselves for losing this test match by 43 runs.

They really only needed 1 more batmen to make a score.

Bairstow should be dropped for his lapse of concentration. Whatever was going through his mind... ??? some heckle donuts... beer ??? who knows ... Regardless if some think its a dismissal or not or in the spirit of the game.

Great knock by Stokes, his one of the all time greats. He should just be focus on his batting for longevity.

Tongue looks like a real talent, able to move the ball inwards to the left hander, unplayable those dismissals.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

Ashes test cricket is clearly alive and well.

A bit of excitement and crowd interest like this and long form cricket might survive 1 more generation.

[lemmon]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

You know how much I enjoy being a contrarian. No problems whatsoever legally - it's out every day of the week and twice on Sundays. If it was me batting and it was mid-over I'd be dirty at myself for being an idiot. If it was the last ball of the over and I was breathing a sign of relief getting to the end of the over with my wicket still intact, I'd probably approach the keeper like Javed did to Lillee and start a brawl, but that's just me. I completely understand the counter-argument.

It's interesting because I feel like Bairstow has more culpability with it being the last ball of the over. It's the only point where the umpire literally calls an auditory signal that the ball has become dead, when calling out 'over'.

I reckon every junior cricketer is told 'Don't wander out of your crease until the ump calls over' - it was drilled into my brain that you didn't leave the crease for a garden and a chat until you heard the call. I can see both sides of the argument, but I have no issues with his carelessness being punished (but I also don't have an issue with Mankad, so it's a probably a theme).

[jeemak]

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It's interesting because I feel like Bairstow has more culpability with it being the last ball of the over. It's the only point where the umpire literally calls an auditory signal that the ball has become dead, when calling out 'over'.

I reckon every junior cricketer is told 'Don't wander out of your crease until the ump calls over' - it was drilled into my brain that you didn't leave the crease for a garden and a chat until you heard the call. I can see both sides of the argument, but I have no issues with his carelessness being punished (but I also don't have an issue with Mankad, so it's a probably a theme).

Countless times you see bats await the "over" call before leaving their crease when the spinners are on and there's people around the bat.

[Jasper]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

We know Bairstow couldn't keep sheep in a paddock but he left his own paddock early when batting and paid an appropriate price.
If they dont want to drink beers with us after the tests then so be it.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

We have rules in cricket and then we have the "spirit of the game". There is this cross over when you play within the rules but you are doing something that is borderline unethical.

Do we have anything remotely similar in AFL? (e.g. For instance in football, if the opposing team has an injured player when you have possession you kick the ball out of play).

I do recall some commentary from Bombers supporters saying that we were "cheating" with the super flood when we beat them in 2000. But I can't remember anything that is remotely similar in AFL.

[Grantysghost]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

We have rules in cricket and then we have the "spirit of the game". There is this cross over when you play within the rules but you are doing something that is borderline unethical.

Do we have anything remotely similar in AFL? (e.g. For instance in football, if the opposing team has an injured player when you have possession you kick the ball out of play).

I do recall some commentary from Bombers supporters saying that we were "cheating" with the super flood when we beat them in 2000. But I can't remember anything that is remotely similar in AFL.

Marking contest where you knock a guy out with your knee, he lands between you and the goals.

You jump him and slam it through from the goal square then celebrate like you won the flag whilst the trainers try and clear the guys airway.