Australia vs England

[lemmon]

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Bailey again doing his chances no harm with another outstanding innings.

He looks so composed at the crease and just in total command.

His first class average isn't great but it's no worse than Ed Cowan's was and he was given a chance.

Tend to agree he deserves first crack, is it another Marcus North selection though? Admittedly North didn't have the International One Day form of Bailey but he was a far more accomplished first class player. I wouldn't hate sticking Hughes/Khawaja there for a few series as was the plan pre England tour

[Greystache]

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Tend to agree he deserves first crack, is it another Marcus North selection though? Admittedly North didn't have the International One Day form of Bailey but he was a far more accomplished first class player. I wouldn't hate sticking Hughes/Khawaja there for a few series as was the plan pre England tour

If it were a choice between Hughes and Bailey then absolutely I'd go for Hughes. I'm an unashamed fan of Hughes, although I'd prefer him at the top of the order. Khawaja doesn't hold strong appeal for me, I question his temperament and his commitment, and I wouldn't have him in calculation unless he absolutely smashes the for down the for with SS runs.

I didn't like North because while experienced I didn't feel he added any solidarity to the team. He got runs in the games he got runs and he surrendered his wicket meekly in the games he didn't. Bailey may be no better at Test level, but the way he's conducted himself in ODI'S has been very impressive.

[lemmon]

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Has just tonned up in India (as has Watto) so couldn't be making a stronger case. He hasn't batted as low as 6 in the Shield so it may not be a bad thing, my concerns are around his off peg which may not be as pronounced with an older ball. Do we take the strength of this Indian attack into account? Apart from Ashwin it is so poor, the quicks aren't even Shield standard

[1eyedog]

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Has just tonned up in India (as has Watto) so couldn't be making a stronger case. He hasn't batted as low as 6 in the Shield so it may not be a bad thing, my concerns are around his off peg which may not be as pronounced with an older ball. Do we take the strength of this Indian attack into account? Apart from Ashwin it is so poor, the quicks aren't even Shield standard

The fact that no bowler was really effective on that barren track takes some shine off the innings played. Batsmen from both sides pretty much did what they liked relatively risk free. 5/350 odd for both teams tells the story and it's not much of a form guide really.

[Remi Moses]

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How on earth can you garner anything from playing in a one day series in India?
Different conditions completely, and a different format
Just bizarre ! Why on earth wouldn't you wait until the shield games are completed??
If you want Bailey in why wouldn't you bring the likes of Watson, Johnson and Bailey back?
Have to appease the Indian masters don't we!!
England will win this series once again, but Sutherland and his band of merry men will fill the coffers with the Big Bash

[lemmon]

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Ahmed with a 6 fa today. Definitely the second spinner, wonder how far behind Lyon he is? Wont happen but Bollinger picked up 6 today as well...

[lemmon]

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If Watson's hamstring keeps him out how do peoples lineups look?

[bulldogtragic]

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If Watson's hamstring keeps him out how do peoples lineups look?

Got to be Hughes doesn't it?

Phil can play, especially on our pitches.

[lemmon]

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Id be going Doolan, specialist number 3 coming off a match winning ton for Tassie over a NSW attack featuring Bollinger, Lyon, Hazelwood and O'Keefe

[Bornadog]

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If Watson's hamstring keeps him out how do peoples lineups look?

The Tommy Willams of Cricket.

[bulldogtragic]

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Id be going Doolan, specialist number 3 coming off a match winning ton for Tassie over a NSW attack featuring Bollinger, Lyon, Hazelwood and O'Keefe

Yes and no for me.

For me it goes back to the thought of making a player score a 1,000 runs in a SS season and demand a spot. The form required to get in now has the bar set low compared to past times. The flip side is do we develop them in the magoos or play them now as the team is in need of batting talent in the longer format??

[A Ford]

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Id be going Doolan, specialist number 3 coming off a match winning ton for Tassie over a NSW attack featuring Bollinger, Lyon, Hazelwood and O'Keefe

All for giving some new a go but debuting a guy at 3 never works.

[lemmon]

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Yes and no for me.

For me it goes back to the thought of making a player score a 1,000 runs in a SS season and demand a spot. The form required to get in now has the bar set low compared to past times. The flip side is do we develop them in the magoos or play them now as the team is in need of batting talent in the longer format??

I said the same things when he was in line for the South Africa series and scored that hundred in the A game, at the moment he's coming off a few fairly solid seasons and a good tour with Australia A, he's done more than most of the others in line. My questions around Doolan are more talent related rather than maturity. He's 28 now so if we're going to pick him there isn't much longer you can wait.

I'm a huge Hughes fan and would not complain if he is picked but we seriously need to stop screwing him around. Time to decide whether he's an opener or middle order player. If he's an opener, he's next in line behind Warner and Rogers, if he's a middle order player he should bat there and let him develop, my preference being at 6 the traditional apprentice spot. He opens for his state and opens in the ODI team so I think that's his spot, if it is then he does his time in the Shield and waits for Rogers or Warner to falter.

If Watson is out does it mean we need to pick an all-rounder for 7? My preference is definitely not.

[Greystache]

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I'm a huge Hughes fan and would not complain if he is picked but we seriously need to stop screwing him around. Time to decide whether he's an opener or middle order player. If he's an opener, he's next in line behind Warner and Rogers, if he's a middle order player he should bat there and let him develop, my preference being at 6 the traditional apprentice spot. He opens for his state and opens in the ODI team so I think that's his spot, if it is then he does his time in the Shield and waits for Rogers or Warner to falter.

If Watson is out does it mean we need to pick an all-rounder for 7? My preference is definitely not.

The problem is we don't have a position available for the talented next generation to do their apprenticeship due to CA's ridiculous infatuation which is borderline obsession with all rounders. The established players bat in the middle order and we throw kid after mid to the wolves batting at 3 and then turf them out after a handful of failures.

I live in hope that someone can break the stupid mindset and pick a specialist batsman at 6 and not some bits and pieces all rounder, but I expect to be disappointed. The fact Henriques was captain of the A team doesn't auger well for a change from the practice that had failed so badly.

[bulldogtragic]

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The problem is we don't have a position available for the talented next generation to do their apprenticeship due to CA's ridiculous infatuation which is borderline obsession with all rounders. The established players bat in the middle order and we throw kid after mid to the wolves batting at 3 and then turf them out after a handful of failures.

I live in hope that someone can break the stupid mindset and pick a specialist batsman at 6 and not some bits and pieces all rounder, but I expect to be disappointed. The fact Henriques was captain of the A team doesn't auger well for a change from the practice that had failed so badly.

Interesting point. I can recall from time to time in the recent golden era the knock was we didn't have a genuine all rounder... Who cares when you win like no team before in the history of the game!

The more I think about what you say, the more confused I get!