Australia vs England

[comrade]

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Just another whack at Watson. With the team struggling and Watson off too a reasonable start he failed to survive the last over before lunch. That's 3 times he has gone out in the last 2 overs of a session.

I'm clearly not seeing the value in him what so many others do. Smart bowler but a batsman with no sense of the importance of seeing through a session.

Considering he was nearly out LBW the ball before leaving it, he should have been more mindful of what Anderson was trying to do.

He needs to bat at 6, Bailey must go and bring in which ever young kid has the best technique.

[boydogs]

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And gone next ball!

I am a massive believer in keeping a test side together, especially when it's a player who is a leader but Bailey doesn't look up to it.

Last chance saloon in the 2nd innings I reckon. Good time for changes between test series.

[GVGjr]

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He needs to bat at 6, Bailey must go and bring in which ever young kid has the best technique.

Why will batting at 6 fix things for him? He can't manipulate the strike like a good number should be able to.

[lemmon]

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Considering he was nearly out LBW the ball before leaving it, he should have been more mindful of what Anderson was trying to do.

He needs to bat at 6, Bailey must go and bring in which ever young kid has the best technique.

Agree with that, let him play in the traditional all-rounders spot. A boundary hitting number 6 is hardly the worst thing in the world. Doolan in and Bailey out would be my move.

[1eyedog]

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Just another whack at Watson. With the team struggling and Watson off too a reasonable start he failed to survive the last over before lunch. That's 3 times he has gone out in the last 2 overs of a session.

I'm clearly not seeing the value in him what so many others do. Smart bowler but a batsman with no sense of the importance of seeing through a session.

The dismissal was disappointing but it was the end act of a relatively good knock. He was very watchful early and played the zippy ball well. Made runs early to get us some sort of a kick start when others couldn't (Warner, Rogers and Clarke) and got a doosie that came back in at him very late. That ball what have gotten out better batsmen than Watson and at least he was out to a very good ball rather than another loose shot.

[jeemak]

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The dismissal was disappointing but it was the end act of a relatively good knock. He was very watchful early and played the zippy ball well. Made runs early to get us some sort of a kick start when others couldn't (Warner, Rogers and Clarke) and got a doosie that came back in at him very late. That ball what have gotten out better batsmen than Watson and at least he was out to a very good ball rather than another loose shot.

Tend to agree with this.

Disappointing he wasn't able to keep it out considering he was being set up for the LBW, but it was hardly a soft dismissal.

[boydogs]

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Watson has come good the last few tests, you know he is the resident punching bag when he makes the 3rd top score (more than double 4th) and is still being potted.

[GVGjr]

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Watson has come good the last few tests, you know he is the resident punching bag when he makes the 3rd top score (more than double 4th) and is still being potted.

He's a senior player who is getting himself out repeatedly after making starts. He's made just 4 test centuries in his 50 plus test career and he has an average of just 36.
These are facts and it's why I'm wondering how people can accept this and why they believe moving him to number 6 is the answer.

In comparison, Haddin has played just 3 more tests than Watson and has a very similar batting average to him. He has also made 4 centuries. The difference being that Haddin has gone on with his starts this summer and batted intelligently with the tail enders. He's clearly putting a higher value on his wicket.

[Remi Moses]

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Watson has come good the last few tests, you know he is the resident punching bag when he makes the 3rd top score (more than double 4th) and is still being potted.

Not sure he's a punching bag, but only 3 centuries with that ability is underwhelming.
Problem is he doesn't work the ball for singles

[Bornadog]

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Hey BAD, who took over #1 from the Windies in July 1988 and for how long? I can only think it must have been the Pakis, as India was rubbish, England were so-so and the Saffers were still in exile. Surely the Windies took over the #1 mantle not long after and would have kept it for another 7 odd years to 1995.

Pakistan for two months, then back to the Windies for 28 till Jan 1991, then Australia for 3, back to Windies for 15, then Australia for 6. Back to Windies for 31 till August 1995. That was it for the Windies.

[Remi Moses]

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Was anyone shocked by how unfit Boyd Rankin looked ?
He looked like a park cricketer

[Remi Moses]

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Pakistan for two months, then back to the Windies for 28 till Jan 1991, then Australia for 3, back to Windies for 15, then Australia for 6. Back to Windies for 31 till August 1995. That was it for the Windies.

I think the Aussies were playing for number 1 in the 91 Windies tour.
Pretty spiteful series that one .

[boydogs]

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He's a senior player who is getting himself out repeatedly after making starts. He's made just 4 test centuries in his 50 plus test career and he has an average of just 36.
These are facts and it's why I'm wondering how people can accept this and why they believe moving him to number 6 is the answer.

In comparison, Haddin has played just 3 more tests than Watson and has a very similar batting average to him. He has also made 4 centuries. The difference being that Haddin has gone on with his starts this summer and batted intelligently with the tail enders. He's clearly putting a higher value on his wicket.

Again with the career stats. You've made your mind up and are looking for ways to explain away his current form instead of giving credit where it is due.

Watson is a see ball hit ball player, his century which culminated in hitting out to get 500 as quickly as possible really freed him up and stopped him from overthinking. Since then his output has improved.

[GVGjr]

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Again with the career stats. You've made your mind up and are looking for ways to explain away his current form instead of giving credit where it is due.

Watson is a see ball hit ball player, his century which culminated in hitting out to get 500 as quickly as possible really freed him up and stopped him from overthinking. Since then his output has improved.

Lets ignore the stats then because I'd like to hear yours and others views to the a few questions:
Why will a move to number 6 benefit Watson and the side for a player that you refer to as a 'see the ball hit player'?
To me the very fact that people are suggesting a move to six is an acknowledgement that he isn't performing. I'm questioning why we should be looking at way to accommodate him rather than make the tough call. It's all confused by his bowling potential rather but I don't believe that should be a huge consideration.

Why can't he tighten up and bat through when we need him to complete the session with his wicket intact? Does he not have the ability to change gears?

Why does his wicket fall so often to less than great bowling?

Watson has been a vice captain to this side and is regarded as an experienced player. I don't believe we can continue to accept soft dismissals from him. 7 years ago his potential with the ball allowed him some latitude with selection but I'm challenging why we should be making allowances for his potential now. At some point he has to deliver on it.

[Remi Moses]

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Again with the career stats. You've made your mind up and are looking for ways to explain away his current form instead of giving credit where it is due.

Watson is a see ball hit ball player, his century which culminated in hitting out to get 500 as quickly as possible really freed him up and stopped him from overthinking. Since then his output has improved.

It's all very well to be a " see ball hit ball " player, but sometimes the bowling dictates that you don't get many free hits.
He doesn't work singles enough, and he 'd could drop some weight.Dry line frustrates him, and he lunges forward a hell of a lot.